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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-06-02 06:41 pm

[ SECRET POST #3803 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3803 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Dramatical Murder]


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[Agents of SHIELD]


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[NCIS/Bull (Michael Weatherly)]


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(Anonymous) 2017-06-02 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's because AoS marketed as a show about the average humans who are working steadily in the background of the Avenger's larger than life adventures, but it quickly became obvious that it was REALLY All About Skye.

She's the best hacker in the world because she knows how to navigate Facebook!

She's a super genius because she suggested that they track who's making money in an effort to find the bad guy.

Everybody worships her! An entire village was willing to die to save baby!Skye! She's Coulson's surrogate daughter! The only thing real about Ward's double agent act was his love for her! May, who likes no one, thinks she's really something special!

She's the only person who can withstand the Death Rock because she's so amazing! Now she has super-special superpowers!

I quit watching the show early in season three because I couldn't handle another episode of Super Special Skdaisy's Super Special Superteam. It's possible that the show has calmed down a bit in regards to her in the meantime.

I wanted a story about the little guys who clean up the mess post-superhero fights and instead I got a Quake origin story. If that's the show they wanted to write, fine, but it should have been marketed that way from the start.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-02 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It has not calmed down from that at all. If anything S4 made it even worse. She gets to be ever so super special, and then even more special again and I just want her shot in the head. Repeatedly.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-02 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
OP

I think you have exaggerated some of the plot elements you've cited:

For example, the entire village thing? She didn't ask for that, and it turned out to be a lot grislier than the usual romanticized Mary Sue story is (for details you can consult the Agents of SHIELD wiki). In fact I would argue that it was more along the lines of "unsuspecting village was attacked to get at Daisy".

May has also shown a deep and abiding respect and friendship with Coulson as well as Daisy.

Other people besides her have survived the "Death Rock" (if by which you mean the Diviner): Jiaying, Raina, and Gordon, just to name a few.

I personally found I didn't mind the focus on Skye/Daisy, but that's probably because I didn't go in with any preconceived expectations at all, since I had very little info except that it linked with the Avengers and Agent Carter verse.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-03 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
DA, I didn't go into the show with any preconceived notions either...and whilst I really liked Skye to begin with, it became more and more apparent that she was a Sue.

And not one I could sit through for long either, unlike Buffy. If you like her, like her, suehood be damned.

(Also, it really doesn't matter if she asked for the village being attacked. No Sue I have ever read has 'asked' for their tragic backstory. Nor does it matter how grisly or graphic it was, unfortunately it's still a hallmark of a sue.)

(Anonymous) 2017-06-02 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
So much this, as well as the comment below that suggests she rarely gets held accountable (in the show, not necessarily by the fans), even if she endangers others, breaks laws/rules, and so on. Her flaws are presented as strengths and her entirely average strengths, super powers aside, are held up as awesome examples of how different, i.e. better, she is compared to the others. In particular, any time a character is framed as the untrained outsider who suddenly becomes essentially the leader that is meant to connect the rest of the cast to "regular" people and show them empathy and how to do "good", as if no one else on the team has those qualities or goals, I'm most likely going to side-eye them. A lot.

And the funny thing is I actually like Skye/Daisy very much - when she's a member of the ensemble, not the star of the show (silly me, I went into the show expecting that to be Coulson, and I'd much rather watch him, Simmons, May, Fitz, Mack, Bobbi, Hunter, etc. etc. etc. Instead I get a focus on Daisy again and again and again).

(Anonymous) 2017-06-02 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
And the funny thing is I actually like Skye/Daisy very much - when she's a member of the ensemble, not the star of the show (silly me, I went into the show expecting that to be Coulson, and I'd much rather watch him, Simmons, May, Fitz, Mack, Bobbi, Hunter, etc. etc. etc. Instead I get a focus on Daisy again and again and again).

This is me. I like Skye/Daisy as a member of the team. I just am not crazy about her being treated as the star.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-03 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Previous anon - yep! I actually quite love Daisy the Character. It's Daisy the Super Special Lead (or worse Daisy the Plot Device) that I cannot stand.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-03 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
Her not being held accountable and too easily forgive by everyone is a big reason why I started to hate her, especially since the other characters get called out by the team if they fuck up but Sky/Daisy gets treated with kid gloves.

(Anonymous) 2017-06-03 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh, she literally had a monitoring bracelet put on her after she tipped off that Rising Tide ex-bf? And got an ultimatum from Coulson over it?

(Anonymous) 2017-06-03 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my God, I know!! She had her online activity monitored for a few weeks by her employer! Almost like a real government worker or something! All she did was nearly risk a mission after lying about her intentions in joining the team!

(Anonymous) 2017-06-12 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS. It's Agents of SHIELD, not the goddamn Skye/Daisy show. The obsession with her storylines over better characters is why I quit watching.