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⌈ Secret Post #3803 ⌋

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[Dramatical Murder]


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[NCIS/Bull (Michael Weatherly)]


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Comments

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

"Animal rights - PETA (animals are better off dead than in captivity)"

Nice troll, but wrong. PETA are not considered AR activists by other animal rights activists. I would know because I've been an animal rights activist for almost a decade. The term we use for them is "new-welfarist".

Animal rights activists believe that animals should not be exploited, used, enslaved, or killed by humans (except in extreme circumstances). We don't believe they're better off dead than enslaved, PETA are the only lunatics thinking that, and any AR activist worth their salt has nothing to do with them.

A good deal of reptile "owners" keep them in small terrariums their whole lives, without much stimulation or room to move around. In particular, the ones who collect them usually have them in tanks along walls like they're some sort of fine art to admire. What kind of life is that? People think because reptiles don't emote as expressively as mammals, that they're basically pretty little robots that won't care if they spend the entirety of their lives in a space the dimensions of a desk. We're not saying kill them, we're saying stop breeding them and collecting them from the wild so you can have some fancy ornament by the wall.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

Enslaved? Seriously?

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

What other word would you use to describe keeping beings in a place against their will for your own benefit.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you consider pet ownership to be ~enslavement~ tells me that there is a lunatic right in this very thread and they ain't a PETA member

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not some moron who's going around telling people with adopted animals that they're slaveowners. I'm against the breeding and domestication of animals for human use. Domesticated animals are forced to be with humans whether they want to or not. They have no choice in what humans they live with, often no choice in when and where they can go outside, no choice over their food, etc. Some are lucky enough to live with humans who treat them well and understand them, but many are left tethered outside or in tiny cages. Many are beaten, or neglected, or spend most of their days all alone.
I think it's great to adopt animals, but it's messed up to bring beings into this world whose lives are destined to be completely controlled by another, just so we can have someone that will love us. That's really selfish.
In an ideal world where humans didn't treat animals like objects, I believe we could befriend wild animals. There are many cases of friendships between wild animals and humans. But if you have to force an animal to stick around you, that is not a relationship of equals.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, on the one hand I'm cringing at the "enslavement" thing, too. That's not a term you can really use about animals without insulting people who're actually enslaved or have ancestors that were. On the other hand, people who keep animals in too-small spaces suck. I was just reading up on lizards, researching to prep for maybe in a couple years getting a bearded dragon or iguana, and one article I read was pretty interesting because it claimed the reason most iguanas died of kidney failure at about ten years old, but some lived double that, is that iguanas don't just need a water dish they can soak in, they need enough water to swim in, like a kiddie pool. So now I kind of want an iguana more, because watching one swim sounds like fun and reminds me of the time I saw a guy walking his lizard on a harness in the big local park, and the lizard went for a stroll in the fountain and seemed to love it.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

Enslavement is only an inappropriate term when you deem animals to be basically objects. Animals are all thinking, feeling, sentient beings. Some of them are about on par with humanity in terms of intelligence, emotional capacity, etc.
There are plenty of POC animal rights activists who agree with the term and have even become vegan BECAUSE of the parallels. The head of Farm Animal Rights Movement is a jewish man who survived the Holocaust and didn't want to treat animals the way he had been treated.
Maybe it offends you because it causes you to rethink your relationship with other animals in a way that makes you uncomfortable.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I think you're just looking to pick a fight. I've been vegetarian for 20+ years, and I keep hens. My oldest hen died at 16 and used to sleep on the couch next to the dog. But I have way more issue with people eating pigs than chickens or even dogs. Dogs are geat, I love them. Chickens can be hilarious to watch and cute as fuck. But they're not smart like pigs, parrots, apes, whales, and some cephalopods (no one should be allowed to eat some species of octopi even though they literally make thousands of eggs). I know the argument is that everything that can feel pain should be off the table. And I personally try to live that. I just don't get to make that choice for everyone.

Re: Why don't reptile owners get along with animal rights groups?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not looking to pick a fight, I believe in what I said wholeheartedly. I think the world would be so much better if people weren't always thinking about what they could get out of others.

I feel a similar annoyance towards people who have their own biological children instead of adopting. There's a reason why if you ask a parent why they chose to have a child, they'll always start off their response with "I wanted". It's a selfish choice. They want someone who will love them unconditionally, someone who will work for them, someone who will take care of them when they get old. It's always "me me me". It's impossible to have a child for the child's sake.

I feel similarly about domestication. Domestication is about messing with the genetics of a being, making them less able to survive on their own, so that humans can use them. Dogs and cats are pretty much the only examples of animals that likely choose to live alongside humans of their own free will. But even then there is a lot about how humans keep them these days that is greatly concerning.

I'm not against keeping animals if they're adopted. Adoption helps homeless animals with nowhere else to go. But breeding them, especially when there are so many homeless animals out there, is creating these beings who are utterly dependent on us, simply because we want a friend who won't go away, or we want someone to work for us, or give us something. I can't think of a single reason why people breed animals that isn't motivated by our own self interest. Domestic animals are not like wild animals that are in danger of extinction, which is the only reasonable excuse for breeding animals in a controlled setting.

And yeah, I don't get to make that choice for everyone, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna shut up about it. Someone has to speak up for animals since, by and large, no one cares what they think.