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⌈ Secret Post #3805 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, okay.

1. Not everyone is aware that there's so much strong negative feelings about self insert fics. Young people, people who are new to the whole writing thing, etc.

2. Even if they knew, not everyone's discouraged by the possibility of a negative reaction to what they create. This is absolutely a good thing, because without it, we'd never have any good art.

3. It's just fanfic, anon. We're not talking about people who like telling strangers at the grocery store about their bleeding hemorrhoids or PIN numbers or state secrets. Just... fanfic. We're better off coming down hard on any asshole who targets someone just for writing a fanfic they don't like rather than trying to warn everyone to ooh, better censor your perfectly harmless fanfic in case you make a toxic internet troll mad!

[(Anonymous)]

I rarely see fandom come down that hard on assholes though. Most often more what happens is that young people get doxxed and bullied into leaving, and for anyone dealing with mental illness it is not easy for them to get over.

It is not bad advice to tell young people to limit what they share with others on the internet. The internet is PUBLIC TO EVERYONE and that can open you up to a lot of shit. It's not a bad thing to tell people that maybe sometimes you should put your rant under a friends lock or that maybe your fic should be in a private journal. Being private about things on the internet has honestly saved me from a lot of drama over the years, I can't imagine how I would have reacted as a teen if I had gotten bullied the way some teens deal with today.

If they can handle the criticism, then great, but I don't think it's bad to just suggest to people there are other options rather then sharing it.

[diet_poison]

Were you private on the internet solely because some nosy asshole told you to be?

And personally I feel like maybe we should be coming down on the bullies and not the people who are being bullied when that situation arises...

[(Anonymous)]

I was private because the internet was still very "new" and yes people had paranoia about it, but in the end I'm a bit grateful for it because I have nothing from my teen years on the internet still haunting me.

I think we should come down on the bullies as well, but like I said, that is NOT what usually happens. So I don't think it's bad to advise caution to young people.

[(Anonymous)]

"I rarely see fandom come down that hard on assholes though."

I'm not saying the internet already does this consistently, I'm saying maybe we should, as opposed to telling people that they need to alter their (harmless!) behavior in order so as to appease said assholes.


"It is not bad advice to tell young people to limit what they share with others on the internet."

I never said it was. What IS bad advice is telling people that they need to change their - again, let me emphasize this- HARMLESS BEHAVIOR THAT HURTS NO ONE because horrible bad things will happen if they do and they'll need to live in fear of this happening at any time. That's very alarmist thinking and not actually helpful at all.


"If they can handle the criticism, then great, but I don't think it's bad to just suggest to people there are other options rather then sharing it."

The point you're trying to make is really odd, because you're acting as though people who write self inserts and Mary Sue fics aren't currently being informed that they can keep that stuff private when in fact, this is the overwhelmingly loud (and occasionally rude) advice they're already getting. This isn't the alternative option you're implying that it is, it's the mainstream option and often presented as the ONLY option.

[(Anonymous)]

I would love if fandom came down more on bullies myself, but it's easier said then done. Even when trolls get banned they can always come back, and there's very little fandom can do when someone's accounts that no one but them has access to are getting targeted. If someone truly gets bullied I've never seen the trolls get scared away, mostly either the person being bullied leaves or learns to ignore it, not everyone is able to learn to ignore it.

Are you anon from earlier because "Not everyone is aware that there's so much strong negative feelings about self insert fics. Young people, people who are new to the whole writing thing, etc." suggests that not everyone knows the options, so yes it wouldn't be a bad thing to suggest to them that they keep a fic private.

[(Anonymous)]

It's still bad advice to tell people they need to live their lives in such a way as to avoid attracting negative attention at all. That's just not realistic, and not helpful.

"Are you anon from earlier because "Not everyone is aware that there's so much strong negative feelings about self insert fics. Young people, people who are new to the whole writing thing, etc." suggests that not everyone knows the options, so yes it wouldn't be a bad thing to suggest to them that they keep a fic private."

1. Not realizing that other people feel strongly about self insert fics isn't the same thing as not knowing there's an option to keep fic private. I'm pretty sure that people who publish a fic are also are aware that they have the option to NOT publish it, because that's pretty obvious. If you bought a mocha latte at Starbucks and decided to drink it in public and someone came up to you and said, "Hey, maybe you weren't aware of this, but did you know you could... NOT DRINK YOUR MOCHA LATTE? Because of all the Starbucks haters out there?" you'd probably think they were a condescending busybody and you'd be right.

2. Suggesting to people that they should hide their HARMLESS FANFICTION because some people might not like it is ridiculous and poor advice.

3. Even if young writers aren't initially aware of the option to not publish their self insert fic, again, this is a very, very common opinion that's shared readily (and often rudely) by the general fandom public and not this arcane tidbit of advice you seem to think it is.

[(Anonymous)]

It's about advising caution, not about "never involve yourself with anything negative ever."

I see your points though and this has honestly gone way beyond the point that I want to debate anymore because I honestly don't care *that* much what people do with their fic. Thanks for responding.

[(Anonymous)]

But the point is, you're "advising caution" for something that's perfectly innocuous and implying it's a major risk, which isn't that far from "never involve yourself with anything negative ever." Especially since the caution you're advising is that people simply not share their self insert fics at all in case they're targeted by a troll and driven off the internet! It's like telling people not to drive cars, because they might be hit by a semi. That goes well beyond mere caution into paranoia, which isn't helpful advice because it's not representative of reality.

It's nice you're not that bothered, but honestly, I think your personal feelings about self insert fic are really coloring this discussion. It's fine you don't understand why people might want to share it. You don't have to understand other peoples' motives for what they do, but if that's the case, you're not really well equipped to give them advice about their situation.

[(Anonymous)]

fyi i agree with your point and i don't understand why people make such a big deal out of it. i'm not that old but i'm still surprised by how much some people share on the internet. i rarely give out my real first name, much less my last name, nor do i add people from my online communities on facebook and if i published something self-indulgent i would probably make sure to do it under an alt account, because i value being one step removed from everything.

i think there is this notion that if you write something it has to be for an audience so publishing it somewhere is the logical next step, i don't think many people are aware that writing for yourself is just as valid AND you don't run the risk of people insulting literally you by insulting and hating on your self-insert.