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So it was actually confirmed that she slept with these game journalists before they covered her work?

Thanks for the write-up, dude. Sincerely. The whole thing was such a clusterfuck I think this is the first time I might actually understand any of it. Especially how the whole anti-gamer sentiment fit into it. I was never really sure which side that was coming from. I guess there was also a lot of push back against that sentiment as well, probably feeding into the radical divides in gaming communities today.

So, you're pro gamergate meaning you want more transparency in the industry?

You're welcome. Yup, confirmed that she slept with them, but the defence given is that they didn't review her game, which is true, none of them reviewed the game or gave it a score, they just promoted it, wrote it into articles bigging it up, and promoted it as an important game making a push for it to win awards and what not. I choose y words carefully when I say they covered and promoted her game, because some people had been saying they were reviewing her game and that was generally the defence that was brought out "We never reviewed her game" which is somewhat disingenuous I feel.

It's possibly I'm being bias, and I know I've skipped over a lot of the minor battles that popped up, it was running on for about a year and some change, but broadly speaking the movement had scumbags and people with points to make, and since those points were about how journalists were doing their jobs in an unethical way, the natural response of an unethical journalist was to insist that the only reason anyone had of being pro-gamergate was because they hate women.

They just had to draw that line and watch while fairly strong personalities piled up on both sides to fight it out. People bought into in it a big way, the way anyone buys into an ideology.

I was pro gamer gate because I wanted the people helping me decide where to put a solid 90% of my disposable income to be more honest, less corrupt, and to stop calling my identity dead to hide their shitty practices. I don't think I am pro gamer gate because it has largely died down, and enough has changed in the industry that I don't think we need to push back against the journalists right now.

Edit: I did not actually read the anon below at the time I created this. Pure coincidence me bringing up the "We never reviewed her game" defence.

Edited 2017-06-19 00:30 (UTC)

I saw the deetz at the time, and links to all the articles that the guys had been promoting her work in. I'd been under the impression that the whole "she influenced them with her |_33+ 53x 5ki11z0rz!!1" was the usual internet crazy bullshit and that she didn't actually know the guys, or knew them only professionally. I didn't know that she'd actually slept with them.

I mean, I think you're being a little biased. Gamergate did some really appalling shit afaik (the anti-GG crowd did too), and a lot of those people have continued with the ott sexist vitriol since then.

of course that doesn't mean that GG didn't have legit points. The gaming industry is hella corrupt and there's always being problems with bribes and dishonest reviews. It's definitely gotten better in recent years, but it's still a serious problem. And ia, I'm not a fan of attacks on the whole 'gamer identity.' Especially not from companies and individuals who rely on gamers for their entire business model to work.

Oh, I'm not denying that some folks started off their outrage as an excuse to go after women in gaming, and I'm not denying that other people joined up to keep doing it, the death and rape threats, the doxxing, the bomb threats, there were some real scumbags on my side of things, and I take pride in having called out and spoken out against each and every one of those things. I just argue with the media narrative that this is the only thing people were complaining about. So if I seem like I'm pretending out side were the angels in this I'm sorry. I know what was going on. But when we got one side saying in almost one solid voice "This is what gamers are like, there's no need to worry about corruption, we're not corrupt, it's not about corruption it's only about harming women" that is one side I will take against.

I don't think you have to apologize, dude. Like I said, I think you're being a LITTLE biased, but it's understandable. Just saying you were pro GG is enough to piss a lot of people off, it's natural to be kind of defensive.

I was pissed off at the time about the anti-gamer bullshit. The GG fiasco was mostly contained to it's own little bubbles, but the anti-gamer crap spread fucking everywhere. Like, no, fuck you, I'm not going to be ashamed about being a consumer of the one entertainment industry on the planet where Being Gay is Actually Okay, and the one medium where there's such a thing as custom protagonists, and an industry that actually has a pretty decent percentage of high-ranking women writers and artists and directors and journalists and so on. Damn right I support the work of people like Amy Hennig and David Gaider and Michael Kirkbride.

... okay I guess I still am pissed off.

I can't find anything to disagree with here. solid comment. anger seems reasonable - for me the episode of Law and Order still stings me to this day - and very few of us got out of the GG mess happier than when we went in.

I don't mean to apologise for my views, I got into the GG thing because I feel my views were valid and needed more people like me to express them - as opposed to leaving it to... shit I can't remember the guys name... fuck this is going to itch my brain... he was a scumbag, and every point he made was "Zoe Quinn this" and "Brianna Wu that" - Anyway, I feel OK about my own viewpoints, but I am sorry for coming across bias. That bugs me and is something I will have to work on.

You worry too much about how you come across, man. You're allowed to not express yourself 100% perfectly all the time, or to pick sides on issues. It's not like your opinion on something is invalid just because you aren't perfectly objective. :

Not invalid, no, but being as objective as possible is the goal. And this this always ends in an argument, and argument where not expressing yourself perfectly is inevitably used as a "Ha! You don't know what your talking about! I Win!" And that 'Win' condition quite often is taken as proof that I am a sexist bigot who supports rape and death threats. I'm allowed to express myself imperfectly but it's a really really bad idea.

But you are quite right, I do very often worry way way too much about how I come across. I worry. It's what I do well.

All the same, I do hope you don't think less of me for my opinions on this matter.

Bruh.... <3

Anyone who thinks you're a sexist bigot who supports rape and death threats is a moron with no reading comprehension or critical thinking skills, so fuck them. Courting their good opinion is as useless as trying to win the respect of someone who thinks that all sex is rape, or that atheists should be stoned to death. It's impossible, and trying to force yourself into a shape that would never offend anyone is just going to hurt you more in the long run.

No one worthwhile would read your confession (or anything else you've ever posted here, even the more trolly stuff) and think "woah this guy is a crazy bigot who thinks female journalists should be raped and killed!" No one rational would make that leap.

If anything I think more of you, bc you have the balls to own up to having supported a controversial movement and the ability to articulate why you did.

Well thank you. That sort of thing is always nice to hear. It genuinly means a lot. Thank you.

That said, I am utterly exhausted and this whole thing has gone... actually better than I was expecting, but still very tiring, so Imma nope out of this and go to bed now. Night.

yw. Goodnight, dude. Sweet dreams!

Oh, Christ, the Amy Hennig thing.

8(

Amy Hennig was the first game dev I ever knew anything about, bc of the special extra features with the Legacy of Kain games. Teen!me thought she was pretty much the coolest person on the planet, and I wanted to work for Crystal Dynamics just bc it seemed so awesome.

She's so amazing. (*˘︶˘*).｡.:*♡

Yeah, the first I heard about her was when she was getting the screw job. Man she got shafted.

First dev I ever knew anything about was Peter Molyneux. The first thing I ever knew about him was he was a fucking liar. But still I loved his passion, and he really is a visionary. It's just a shame the tech could never keep up with his ideas or his mouth.

You know, I think Molyneux has never meant to lie about what's in the games. I think he's got no filter and his PR people and his publishers just totally fucking fail to edit what he says to fit with what will actually be in the finished product.

Like, Fable's announced and he's over there in an interview talking about all this amazing stuff and you know he WANTED to put it in the game, maybe they even started programming it and scrapped it. But they ran out of time and funds and it didn't fit, and they've got this guy one record talking about shit that won't be in the game.

Most companies and devs play shit a lot closer to the chest before launch.

No, I know molyneux isn't a liar, it is exactly how you say, he dreams big and the tech and money cant keep up.

It's just a thing me and my girlfriend say. Peter Molyneux Eats a lot of Dukes Barrel Cheese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfEPGFSVcQ4

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