[ SECRET POST #3819 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3819 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

The mental gymnastics you're going through to ignore all the suffering caused in the name of Islam is incredible. You keep saying that it's just these vague cultural things causing homophobia, but not religion, even though religion is a huge force that shapes culture and tradition. You seem to be saying that religion has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on a person's belief system or what types of things they advocate or dislike.

For the record, I'm not against religion. I think the Abrahamic religions are outdated and promote a lot of bigoted things, and the more people move away from them, the better off we'll all be. If it's to a more peaceful belief system, or none at all, so long as the culture promoted by that belief is good for all beings, it is good.

You've been really polite in this debate, and I appreciate that, but I feel this will be my last response here.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that religion is a huge force that shapes peoples' beliefs, but it also is shaped by those beliefs. I agree that specific religious traditions have played a significant role in many bad things, as a force in peoples' beliefs. I agree that suffering has been caused in the name of Islam. That does not mean that those things are intrinsically tied into any possible Islam. You can change it and people are changing it.

The point I'm making about religion being socially constructed - to be clear - is not denying that religion doesn't influence peoples' worldviews. It's a massive constituent part of their worldview - but it is also partly constructed by that worldview. So when you're talking about the role that religion plays in forming a worldview, it plays the same kind of role that any other social institution does. What it doesn't have - and this is really the central important point that I want to make - is any kind of transhistorical eternal core. There's no absolute, atemporal essence of Islamness that exists outside of particular social situations.

I agree with the ideal that you need to have a culture that's good for all beings. My whole point of view is that there's no intrinsic conflict between those beliefs, and any Abrahamic religion. They are not mutually exclusive. I recognize the harm that those religions have done when they don't promote that kind of culture. There's just no reason, at all, whatsoever, that they need to be regressive. And I don't see the point of rejecting those forms of them which aren't regressive. That's really my whole argument here.