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[ SECRET POST #3823 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3823 ⌋

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Eh, putting yourself first ("I" want closure) without any thought on how it'll affect the other party (a good friend, supposedly) would be rather asshole-ish.

And we know he was suffering from regret of not being there for Vicchan, failing skating wise and having no idea of what to do now; not from an unrequited crush.

But sure, instead of accepting it's ambiguous and that there's enough to supports that he may not have a crush on Yuko (including how nothing was even mentioned about that, or how he defined his fellinga for everyone except Victor as abstract), please keep saying it's "obvious" he had a crush on her.

It's obvious he had a crush on her. There's a thing called narrative text. There would have been no reason to write it like that if it weren't trying to show you that he had a crush on her. Sorry that makes him an asshole to you, but that's just what's canon.

nayrt but that's absolutely not canon. I agree that there's no way the scene was ignorant of seeming at first like a romantic confession to a childhood friend - that's very obvious - but it was instantly yanked backwards and subverted. You can't claim it's canon that Yuri had a crush on Yuko because there's no evidence of it. I think it's a valid reading, sure, but the point of the scene was bait-and-switch, not to establish romantic interest.

Except the Japanese grammar actually makes it canon. He was literally starting to confess to her in Japanese, though you can't translate it properly in English to make that clear without it sounding awkward af.

Sit down and let the people who know what they're talking about have a discussion.

So you're trying to say that he had a crush on her for years and was so desperate for closure that he decided to ignore the consequences a confession would have on his childhood friendships, despite he barely interacted with (he spend more time training with her husband than with her!) or mentioned her on thought about her AT ALL during the whole show?

If you think that makes narrative sense, well...

Yes, it makes sense because he used to like her, then he found Victor and moved on. Why would he spend time thinking aboust his old crush when he found a new one who is not only available but obsessed with him? Also way to be dramatic, Yuuri and Yuuko are both adults, a confession wouldn't have had any dramatic consequences.

The bi erasure in this fandom is off the charts.

It's a bit late in the post to be trying that particular angle.

Yeah, whatever you say.

Your reading comprehension is pretty bad if you think it's bi erasure to point that this "crush on Yuko" isn't canon.

But then you're also saying that a bad-timed confession can't make things awkward.

And that his crush on Yuko was so big and important that he couldn't get over it without proper closure after years.

And that said important crush disappeared as soon as he had someone else who was available and into him.... maybe like the girl in Detroit he pushed away (which, you know, it's actually canon unlike this crush thing)?

Now I'm sure you're just trolling. Have a nice night :)

Another YOI fan pulling the REEE TROLL card at someone who disagrees with them, color me surprised. How old are you again? I don't even know why I bother anymore, this fandom is full of oeople with the mental maturity of a teenager.

But yeah, you totally told me with your nonsensical arguments. Because a girl he doesn't like having a crush on him is totally the same as he developing feelings for a new person who also likes him back, right?

I don't think you can pull the maturity card when mature you can't even accept your interpretation of something that was left ambiguous isn't canon.

It was as ambiguous as the kiss aka read between the lines.

So something that wasn't even implied (unless you count a cliché that's used as bait-and-switch too, just like the one that got subverted seconds later) is at the same level as an action that wasn't seen 100% clearly?

Wow.

It was implied, hard, to the point that it's the conclusion most people reached. That you choose to ignore the evidence doesn't mean it isn't there. I'm not gonna wrote you a tl;dr explaining the evidence but I can link to people who did a great job analyzing those scenes.

I'm not ignoring anything. The problem here is that that "evidence" is flimsy at best.

She seemed like the obligatory romantic interest, but immediately after we discovered she wasn't; there was what Yuuri didn't say using a construction that can be and is used deliberately to misdirect the audience, and... that's it.

Even before he and Victor became close, there was NOTHING about him having feelings for her. In fact we'd more moments of his friendship with Takeshi than anything Yuko related.

That's why believing Yuuri pined after her for most of his life is hard to believe. And that's not even taking into account the "abstract" feelings he mentioned when talking about love.

That being said, I could believe he had a puppy crush on her when they were children and got over it years ago, but that isn't be canon either because there's ZERO evidence for it (unless you count Takeshi bullying Yuuri when Yuuri was five and Takeshi seven, which would be even more nonsensical).

If you want to interpret it differently despite that lack of canon support, go ahead. But at least stop calling it canon, because it isn't and that's the fucking point.

You know, the problem with the confession scene is that any other declaration other than "I love you" makes zero sense in context, especially when you take into account the song he's skating to. And then we have the scene when he says that he tried to ignore things by focusing on his skating, a scene that is directly linked to the Nishigori family. What is the no bi explanation for this scene? What did he try to ignore related to the Nishigori family other than the fact that the girl he liked married someone else?

He was talking about getting his love for skating back and how skating with Yuko while imitating Victor used to motivate him. It's not unthinkable that he wanted to admit something about that.

Also, Yuuri left all his friends and family for skating, he didn't return home for five years, he came back lost because skating was the only thing for him and saw everyone had continued living. He had isolated himself (like Victor did!) while everyone had a life. That's, like, a major plot point.

And are you forgetting Yuuri never thought about love and considered his feelings for most people as something abstract? That doesn't sound like someone who planned to confess his ~love~ for an old and lasting crush.

BTW, thank for ignoring all my points. At least I'd fun thinking about this, because it's obvious you can't even bother reading or considering something that doesn't agree with you, so talking with you is impossible.

Only with way less context and buildup.

Try arguing the maturity angle when you stop sounding like some 4chan kid.

And now we have 4chan accusations, great! What's next, the Redditor menace? You guys are so precious.

I know right? You're a pompous tool of your own merit.

I can taste the salt from here, my rabid anon.

Aww, cutie pie I'm not salty. Just giving credit where it's due <3

Saltier than the dead sea indeed.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-23 07:18 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-23 08:12 (UTC) - Expand

....this happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME in Japanese media. They're into confessions, and one-sided confessions are extremely common. It's a cultural difference.

So the context in the show doesn't matter? And that hey subverted common tropes in Japanese media is also irrelevant? Ok.

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