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[ SECRET POST #3825 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3825 ⌋

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Any amount of energy devoted to this feels like too much. Why do people on both sides love talking about Whedon so much that even his sunk scripts that were rightly never meant to see the light of day become topics of controversy?

"Why does a leaked script by a famous writer/director for a blockbuster DC property that just came out with a highly successful version of that blockbuster DC property become a much talked-about topic of conversation?"

I mean, those reasons might make sense to you but they honestly boggle me. I love the movie that did come out, and I'm happy and relieved that's the version we ultimately go, but I'm also acutely aware of the many and varied things that could have gone wrong with this particular property. My only reaction upon learning about this leaked script was, "Phew, another bullet dodged." I still think it's something about Whedon -- something I've never, ever understood, because most of his works have failed to interest me.

It does not boggle me that people are inclined to talk about famous people who write stuff for very popular franchises, no. I'm surprised that anyone would be surprised about that. Joss Whedon is huge, like him or not. Movies based on comics dominate summer film blockbusters now. Wonder Woman was both a recent release AND huge. I don't like the football and the Superbowl doesn't interest me, but I'm not surprised when it becomes a huge topic of conversation at that time of year.

It's pretty clear, even just in this thread, that this script hullabaloo is just further ammo for the Whedon fans and anti-fans to fire on each other. All this "It's popular so of course people will talk about it" justification doesn't fly because none of this back-and-forth has generated any good discussion about Wonder Woman at all. It's like, whatever, let's talk Wonder Woman 2 now and how they better not fuck it up and be willing to pay Patty Jenkins all the money to make this movie. But no, it's gotta be Joss Whedon's feminist status. AGAIN.

You're surprised that a discussion about a leaked script by Whedon that's full of hilariously bad writing and sexism is generating discussion about Whedon's status as a feminist? I'm sorry, this is another one of those "things I'm not surprised by but I'm surprised that someone else is surprised".

You're kind of like a person who barges into an active discussion about pizza toppings demanding to know why people aren't talking about pasta, because you want the conversation to be about pasta. Both are delicious, but... you entered the pizza thread, and not the pasta thread. No surprises there, really.

My bet was some Whedon stan thought they could make him look cool by showing off what his ~masterpiece~ was.

Only Whedon now looks like a completely out of touch hack writer who would be perfectly at home on Game of Thrones, especially with the scripted male gazey camera pans just like with Daenerys in season 1.

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At this point, everything that can be said on this particular incident has been said.

And yet ironically, this thread still exists and you're contributing to it. ;)

Now I know you're just arguing for the sake of it.

LOL, I'm really not. I just think it's funny when people disagree that something is worthy of discussion, so they ignore the ongoing discussion by people who obviously DO think it's worthy of discussion and claim that no, there's nothing more to be said on the subject!

Your entire reasoning boils down to "It's a popular thing and another popular thing so people talk about it." I just don't think something being popular alone makes it worthy of discussion, not when the discussion in question is as trite and worn-out as it is.

Yes, you don't think that popularity alone makes something worthy of discussion. But you seem not to realize that you're not the sole arbiter of what's discussion-worthy, and the very existence of all the comments you're objecting to is proof that others disagree. It's as if you don't know that your opinions (no matter how strong or passionately held) have a limited influence on other peoples' opinions and even less influence on their actions. Your complaint boils down to "HEY EVERYBODY! STOP TALKING ABOUT STUFF I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT!"

Like I said, it's funny. :)

The smiley face isn't quite giving the impression you were going for.

Feel free to ignore it! My words still stand, as does my assessment of your complaint. Your expectation that people should quit talking about a popular topic because you don't think it's worthy of discussion is pretty funny to me. It may not be funny to anyone else, but that's okay - I don't expect my opinions to have the level of influence you seem to expect from your opinions.

I don't expect them to stop talking about it. I simply think they are wasting their time.

Ah, okay. Well, I'm sure they are properly chastened by your disapproval.

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I think it's giving the exact impression they were going for. This is not a compliment, by the way.

Understood. I will not take the liberty of feeling complimented.

DA

Unless the impression they were going for is "I'm insincere and condescending," I'm thinking you're right.

Oh, no. I was perfectly sincere when I said that I thought it was funny someone's complaining that other people keep talking about stuff they don't want them to talk about. I might be condescending, but that's a separate issue, really.

I've read many discussions about the script. They're just making the same observations and cracking the same jokes over and over again. But you do you, I guess.

They might well be tiresome, yes. But to the people who are actively engaging in those discussion, they're clearly not tedious enough to discourage them, so whether or not non-participants feel the topic is discussion worthy is rather a moot point!

NAYRT

You seem to be taking a side of an argument when there isn't one being made? Someone doesn't get why this is such a big deal. That's okay. They can think that. You don't have to agree. The one having an oddly big reaction here is you.

I'm not the anon who's expressing surprise that people have the nerve to keep talking about a topic I've already deemed unworthy. If you're not that anon either, I apologize for mistaking your meaning!

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