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[ SECRET POST #3827 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3827 ⌋

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[Sidney Crosby/Evgeni Malkin, NHL]

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[Joss Whedon's leaked Wonder Woman script]

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[Tara Strong]

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[Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid]

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[Legend of the Seeker]

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[Grimm]

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[Grimm]

They ended up together? Boo.

And in a ~true luv~ kind of way. It was awful.

I thought the way the progressed their relationship was clumsy, but at the same time ... there was something realistic about it too. Sometimes unlikely people get together because of shared circumstances. It probably would have been better if they stayed out of the romance genre.

I luckily fell out of the fandom before this plotline took off fully, and I'm glad.

Just a question: why do writers write guys who, after finding out they've been raped by a woman who is now pregnant with their child, care a lot about what happens to the baby and want to be involved in its life? From what I could tell, this happened both in Grimm and in Once Upon a Time (coincidentally (or not) I dropped both shows shortly after that plotline seemed to be happening). I feel like if I were in that scenario, I'd be like "Please step out of my life forever, thanks." Is this how some guys would actually react in this scenario? Or are writers just really really bad at recognizing female-on-male rape for what it is?

This is a tough question because it's complicated on a number of different levels so:

1) I think that there is some reality to it

2) I think that, for much the same reasons it is difficult for writers to recognize and respond adequately to female-on-male rape, it would be difficult for actually existing people to do so

3) This is the really complicated one, so excuse me if I go too fast. But I think there is a structure of understanding that hovers somewhere between reality and narrative in which this pattern of behavior is understood as - in some sense - normal or at least commonplace. For instance, there's a narrative whereby women are trying to trap men into fatherhood that is somewhat commonplace. And there is certainly an extent to which a man in such a situation would have at least legal obligations even if he were not interested in being part of the life of the child. So I think, in a lot of ways, it goes beyond the choices of writers. Our society just isn't really set up to deal with this specific topic, for a variety of reasons.

AYRT

I get that you're talking about narratives embedded in people's minds already, but the characters in both the shows I was talking about are people living in the modern world but belonging to secret magical communities. I doubt legal obligations like alimony are what people (either the characters or the audience) are thinking about in this situation. I can see that people might have a narrative that men are obligated to take care of any woman they knock up (the "shotgun wedding" narrative) regardless of how that happened, and the narrative that one has to be chivalrous to pregnant women, in addition to the one you mentioned, of women purposely trapping men into fatherhood. I guess I just don't have any of those narratives in my mind, personally. The idea of "woman shows up at my door pregnant" doesn't inspire automatic pity and attachment in me. o_o;

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esteefee - 2017-06-27 06:44 (UTC) - Expand

care a lot about what happens to the baby and want to be involved in its life?

The baby's still his blood, yeah? Women will sometimes bear children sired from rape, too, even if they do feel a bit conflicted about it.

Babies complicate everything.

AYRT

I guess I just lack any attachment to my genes / blood / offspring. If someone showed up with a surprise baby made from my genes, I'd be :| and not want to have to take care of it at all. If someone showed up with a surprise baby made from my genes because they had raped me, I would be actively angry.

I get that not everyone is me, but if I was the one bearing the baby, I would also absolutely get an abortion, so it is just hard for me to understand any feelings of conflict about it.

So they did end up together? Gross. Glad I left when it looked like they weren't going to address in any way the fact that Adalind raped Nick. Got more than enough of that with Once Upon a Time.

Welp, there goes my intention to watch Grimm.

nayrt - you can watch, like, the first two seasons? maybe a bit more? the show is mainly monster of the week for at least that time, and she's just a reoccurring villain. but y e a h...

The first two are good, third is so so and stop with the fourth.

I really liked the world building in the beginning and the various monster legends from around the world.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-06-27 03:12 (UTC) - Expand

I couldn't get into it. I hated the CGI makeup for the monsters. I thought the acting was weird from everyone where they had these understated, muted performances. The dialogue was never funny enough for me. I liked the ideas and the world building but it didn't click for me and I watched it for only a season.

Oh my god, SAME. I watched a couple of seasons online a few years ago, then my computer died and I didn't think about it for ages - then I heard about some of the relationship developments and... wow. Didn't miss out on much, did I?

Me too. Uggggggg!

Me too. Ug

Oh man, I am so glad I quit watching, but that is still... ugh. I'm right with you, OP.

Shit, seriously? I watched two seasons of this and kind of wanted to continue. Welp, not anymore.

Don't know the show. But she looks afraid of him. Probably not a good sign.

It's the other way around. The woman raped him, got his fiancee killed, and I think tried to kill at least one of his other friends, too.

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eos_joy - 2017-06-27 14:15 (UTC) - Expand

You aren't alone, OP.

IT IS NOT IRRATIONAL. IT IS LOGICAL. IT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. THAT PAIRING - SPECIFICALLY THE WAY IT WENT DOWN - WAS THE F*CKING WORST.

...clearly, I am not over this, either. >.> ...

I finished on the season Juliette lost her memories so wtfed when someone on F!S told me the ending - this is definitely not irrational anger. I get Adalind's species had lots of crap against her and that can warp people but being a terrorist on a murder spree who rapes a dude to make a magic baby for political reasons (she definitely has not intended to be a mother bar of peddling said baby).

Yeah, it is not kid's fault their mother was crap but why not just make it stay with Nick without Adalind around? Then again, my favourites were Juliette and Hank.

who rapes a dude to make a magic baby for political reasons (she definitely has not intended to be a mother bar of peddling said baby).

No, she raped him as revenge for kidnapping her daughter. The pregnancy was accidental (and written because the actress got pregnant IRL.)

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digitalghosts - 2017-06-27 23:13 (UTC) - Expand

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