[ SECRET POST #3827 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3827 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Teen Wolf, Derek Hale]


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03.
[Sidney Crosby/Evgeni Malkin, NHL]


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04.
(James I, Reign)


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05.
[Joss Whedon's leaked Wonder Woman script]


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06.
[Tara Strong]


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07.
[LissySandwich/Bowlingotter]


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08.
[Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid]


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09.
[Legend of the Seeker]


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[Grimm]








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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I luckily fell out of the fandom before this plotline took off fully, and I'm glad.

Just a question: why do writers write guys who, after finding out they've been raped by a woman who is now pregnant with their child, care a lot about what happens to the baby and want to be involved in its life? From what I could tell, this happened both in Grimm and in Once Upon a Time (coincidentally (or not) I dropped both shows shortly after that plotline seemed to be happening). I feel like if I were in that scenario, I'd be like "Please step out of my life forever, thanks." Is this how some guys would actually react in this scenario? Or are writers just really really bad at recognizing female-on-male rape for what it is?

[(Anonymous)]

This is a tough question because it's complicated on a number of different levels so:

1) I think that there is some reality to it

2) I think that, for much the same reasons it is difficult for writers to recognize and respond adequately to female-on-male rape, it would be difficult for actually existing people to do so

3) This is the really complicated one, so excuse me if I go too fast. But I think there is a structure of understanding that hovers somewhere between reality and narrative in which this pattern of behavior is understood as - in some sense - normal or at least commonplace. For instance, there's a narrative whereby women are trying to trap men into fatherhood that is somewhat commonplace. And there is certainly an extent to which a man in such a situation would have at least legal obligations even if he were not interested in being part of the life of the child. So I think, in a lot of ways, it goes beyond the choices of writers. Our society just isn't really set up to deal with this specific topic, for a variety of reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I get that you're talking about narratives embedded in people's minds already, but the characters in both the shows I was talking about are people living in the modern world but belonging to secret magical communities. I doubt legal obligations like alimony are what people (either the characters or the audience) are thinking about in this situation. I can see that people might have a narrative that men are obligated to take care of any woman they knock up (the "shotgun wedding" narrative) regardless of how that happened, and the narrative that one has to be chivalrous to pregnant women, in addition to the one you mentioned, of women purposely trapping men into fatherhood. I guess I just don't have any of those narratives in my mind, personally. The idea of "woman shows up at my door pregnant" doesn't inspire automatic pity and attachment in me. o_o;

[esteefee]

I think in this case, though, the magic enters into it strongly. Nick's child would likely be a Grimm; he mentioned that, and he would feel a responsibility toward raising that Grimm, and keeping it from getting into the wrong hands and being raised in a wrong household and being used for evil.

So I think he got suckered in by that responsibility, and by Adelind's changed aspect. I, personally, would find it very hard to forgive what she'd done -- not just the rape, but the domino effect of all that she'd plotted beforehand and afterward. But I think the actor playing Nick did a pretty good job of showing his unwillingness to be around her at first. It took a while before he warmed up even a little.

I admit I stopped watching the show for a year when I realized they were shipping those two after the rape. I finally broke down and watched it and I still am not happy they paired them, but for the impossible, they did an okay job.

[cat_i_th_adage]

care a lot about what happens to the baby and want to be involved in its life?

The baby's still his blood, yeah? Women will sometimes bear children sired from rape, too, even if they do feel a bit conflicted about it.

Babies complicate everything.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I guess I just lack any attachment to my genes / blood / offspring. If someone showed up with a surprise baby made from my genes, I'd be :| and not want to have to take care of it at all. If someone showed up with a surprise baby made from my genes because they had raped me, I would be actively angry.

I get that not everyone is me, but if I was the one bearing the baby, I would also absolutely get an abortion, so it is just hard for me to understand any feelings of conflict about it.