[ SECRET POST #3828 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3828 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

'Be careful how you interact mentally with black characters.'

All those awful Tumblrites around the world, grossly fetishizing Boseman by thinking he's fit and referring to him in the same way as all the other hot guys they like.

It would be better if, like, we had a segregated film industry so black people could watch their own characters in their own films, in their own specially designated cinemas. And, like, maybe we could ensure that there is never any crossover in the industry because that would only encourage appropriation. The world would surely be a better place then.

...Wait, we already tried that. Fuuuuck. Well, I'm all out of ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

All those awful Tumblrites around the world, grossly fetishizing Boseman by thinking he's fit and referring to him in the same way as all the other hot guys they like.

Like... if the way that you talk about those characters is something that would be racially loaded when applied to a black person, or would mean something different because of the context, I kind of feel like that's something you would want to be aware of? I don't honestly see what's so outrageous about that idea.

[(Anonymous)]

If you really think 'smol son' is racially loaded there is no help for you.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say that I thought it was.

You were the person who was making this massive outrageous comparison that changing the way that you refer to a character is tantamount to reinstating segregation.

[(Anonymous)]

People are supposed to be people. End of. The melanin content of their skin is SUPPOSED to be irrelevant.

Decades of civil rights work is circling the drain because of thinking otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

With respect, I just don't agree. Race is a social phenomenon that influences our reality and the way that we think about and understand the world, and so of course that's going to be reflected in complex ways. Color-blindness is just shutting yourself off to reality.

[(Anonymous)]

Or it's creating a different reality where people are judged on their merits rather than their appearance. But it's much harder to claim victim status without outward signifyers like skin color, and victimhood is the name of today's game. So sad.

[(Anonymous)]

??? Please explain what's racially loaded about calling a character "husband" or "son"?

[(Anonymous)]

I think that they're making a reasonable point on a fundamental level, but went too far with some of the details (actually, what I really think is that they just phrased the letter badly, and that they didn't mean to say that the words were intrinsically problematic but more the extreme possessiveness of the way of talking about characters might be problematic, which I think can be kind of true at times, but that's a question of interpretation).

But I also think people are dramatically overstating the case and misrepresenting it and saying that it's literally segregation and all that kind of thing. So I feel like it's more reasonable to be on the side that had a mostly reasonable argument where I disagree with some of the specifics.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you are working way to hard to apologise and reinterpret this screed. The words are there for all to read.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

The most I can say is that if I'm being stupid, I'm being sincerely stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

I never got a possessive vibe about "husband/son" so much as it's kind of silly "SQUEEE!" thing.

[(Anonymous)]

It's only really possessive when they start acting like they own the character and get butthurt when others call them their husband or like they are the ultimate authority on a certain character. I've seen it happen before, but it's usually mostly the only way a person can express strong feelings towards a fictional character.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, we had that a long time before. Back then it was crazy Snapewives on the Astral Plane.

[(Anonymous)]

If that's what they wanted, that's what they should've said. What you said made sense. Their rant basically stated that traditional fandom endearments were inappropriate, racist, and not allowed. If they're racist now, how come they weren't before?

I'm sorry this movie is this person's holy grail; no matter what anyone does, they're gonna be upset. Personally the I think the comics were such a mess a few years back, with that disastrous wedding to Storm and all, that I'd be happy if they made T'Challa likeable as well as a badass, and the movie is otherwise good.

[(Anonymous)]

If that's what they wanted, that's what they should've said. What you said made sense. Their rant basically stated that traditional fandom endearments were inappropriate, racist, and not allowed. If they're racist now, how come they weren't before?

I think that's what they meant to say but they phrased it poorly and they were rude because they were in a bad mood or something, and then because this is the Internet, people assume the worst and get angry.

I don't know. There are just a lot of people talking about how this is tantamount to segregation or how this means the movie deserves to fail or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, these kinds of things get taken at face value and then people bully the fuck out of other people over them, and that's not okay with me. Nobody gets to do that and say they did it on my behalf just because I share the same category as the letter writer. So I disagreed.

As for the haters, shitty people will be shitty, and I don't agree with the segregationalists, okay? That doesn't mean I have to agree with the letter writer, though. There are more options here than agree with one=disagree with the other.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, I think the text post is kinda dumb, but you're overreacting a tad.
No one is calling for segregation jfc.

[(Anonymous)]

Segregation is telling someone to behave differently towards a certain race than you would another. It's okay for literally every other fictional character to be treated like toys or get called bae, but you have to treat the black fictional characters differently?

How is that not segregation? It might not be as extreme as saying "no non-black people are allowed to see this movie" but it is still demanding you treat them different than any other fandom fav.

Typical fandom squee behavior is not even discrimination no matter how you slice it. People act like that because they find a character endearing or relatable. So why can't they express it in the usual ways?