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⌈ Secret Post #3829 ⌋

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Josh Trank was (by all reports) a huge asshole in ways that had no relation whatsoever to creative vision or anything. Dude is just a dick.

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Working a franchise is different from working a fresh property. It is more like working on a tv show than a movie set. You would accept a Law and Order episode where everything was Japanese cybernoir or if it was all Midsomer Murder. It would be awesome, but it wouldn't be Law and Order's house tone. That is what some of the directors do not get. It isn't "[Director's Name]'s Han Solo", it is "Disney/Lucasfilm's Han Solo". Same as over on the Marvel brand it was not "Edgar Wright's Ant-man" it was "Marvel's Ant-man". These are not director led properties.

This is clearly Disney's attitude. That doesn't actually mean that it's correct, or that we as fans have to justify it and believe in it and carry Disney's water for them, or that directors who dislike that approach are wrong.

But I do think to a certain extent it is right. There definitely needs to be some room to stretch (and Rogue One proves that there can be), but there is a limit to how far you can stretch before it is no longer a Star Wars movie. Heck, you want to make a comedy about characters we've never met before, I'd be okay with that. But with beloved characters like Han you need to make your movie feel Star Wars.

I think you can have a comedy that feels like Star Wars. I guess that would be my reply. I don't see why you can't have a comedy that feels like Star Wars. "Feels like Star Wars" is hard to quantify but it seems to me that it should be able to exist in a lot of different genres.

Disagree. We don't have to agree with it but Disney is absolutely doing the right thing for the brand. The directors were in the wrong, and it's good they were fired.

I agree that they're doing the right thing for the brand. I don't really care about the brand. It's Disney's job as a corporation to care about Star Wars and its branding and everything, which is why they fired them. What I want as a fan is good Star Wars movies. I don't think this makes better Star Wars movies, I think it makes better branded Star Wars movies.

And even if you disagree on that, I still don't think that means the directors were "in the wrong." Creative differences doesn't mean that someone is "in the wrong."

Creative differences doesn't mean that someone is "in the wrong."

This....but I'm just surprised it took so long. Lord and Miller must have gotten a lot of chances for them to be fired this late in principal photography.

I don't see how it could be a good Star Wars movie if it's not on-brand. It's not Star Wars. It's like the new Star Trek that had nothing in common with the original show except for names and design. I don't want that in Star Wars.

I think the Star Wars universe, in creative terms, is bigger than the Star Wars brand, as a marketing entity

I think we're talking about brand differently. I'm not talking about the marketing entity. I'm talking about what Star Wars is. What the core of the stories is. What the tone of the movies is. What the themes are. LucasFilm is guarding that for Star Wars fans. That's what they are doing by firing the directors, and I'm glad they are. I don't want something that doesn't feel like Star Wars. No matter how good the film is as a story, if it's not Star Wars, then it shouldn't have the Star Wars brand on it. There are other places for that kind of film to be made. The studio interfering in this case was good for the fans.

Do you think Disney cares about that stuff from a creative point of view?

Yes! Even if you think they're a heartless machine (which I don't - I've seen so much BTS stuff that shows the people making the movies and making decisions really love Star Wars, including Kennedy), it's in their best interests to keep their product in good standing for the fans. Yes, Disney does have to make money but they know how to do that while making a good product. I think their last two films were great.

Plus, Disney has comics and books and cartoons to try different ideas out, and they are doing that. There's been a wealth of interesting stuff from them. They are testing out strange ideas there. The big tent-pole movies should appeal to as wide an audience as possible, which means being family friendly and hitting the Star Wars feel. I think they're doing all the right things from a business standpoint and a creative one.

Right or wrong it is Disney's prerogative and directors who say they will abide by it and then turn around and try to insert their non-Disney approved stuff into it on franchise badge engineering efforts don't have a leg to stand on when their ass gets fired or 40% of their movie is reshot by someone who would abide by the rights owner's rules.

Frankly, I agree with Disney. I don't want going to a Star Wars movie or a Marvel movie to be a gamble or a lottery in what tone or look it has depending on a director's whims. I want to go in and see Star Wars or Marvel just like I know them. Plenty of other movies for that other stuff.

I agree that it's Disney's prerogative. If I were working for them, it's what I would tell them to do. But I don't work for them and I don't really give a shit about the profit margins of one of the largest corporations in the world.

If you think it leads to better movies, fair enough. I really don't agree.

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