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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-03 06:31 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #3834 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-07-03 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but if he (or his brother) has no problem with homosexuality, why would he be so firmly in the closet?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-03 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
lotta reasons

(Anonymous) 2017-07-03 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Please elucidate. Why do you think Dean is either gay or bi.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-03 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's three different things we're talking about here, at this point.

First, in this specific subthread, we're talking about why someone would be in the closet, and whether someone being tolerant of gay people is evidence that they're not in the closet. And I don't think it is evidence - I think there are all kinds of reasons why someone might or might not be in the closet. Which is why I said that. You don't have to be homophobic to be in the closet.

Second, we're talking about whether the fact that Dean says that he's straight in the TV series means that he is definitely and unquestionably straight, or whether there are other plausible interpretations. And I think other interpretations are plausible and permissible, because there's a lot of valid reasons why somebody could talk that way.

And then what you're talking about in this post is whether Dean is, in fact, gay or bisexual. I haven't said anything about that and I'm not that interested in saying it either way. Don't really have a horse in the race. What I'm saying is what OP of this secret was saying, and what people have been saying all along, which is: the fact that Dean says that he's straight is not the final word in terms of plausible interpretations of his sexuality.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
You just said a lot of words that danced entirely around the direct question ayrt asked, jsyk. Makes me wonder if you actually have a point or if you're just being contrary to feel somehow superior.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
DA

You mean that direct question which had nothing to do with the conversation at hand?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Except it had everything to do with the conversation at hand. Dodging it and acting like it doesn't only weakens whatever point you're trying to make.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
You're missing the core of the conversation.

Never mind that the anon who said "lotta reasons" was almost certainly referring to the reasons why someone might remain closeted despite not being a violent homophobe, and not claiming that there are a lot of reasons why the character specifically is queer.

"Okay so why do you think he is gay!? is a completely nonsensical response to "people are closeted for many reasons." You might even say it dances entirely around the point.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I...don't know why you think I thought "lotta reasons" DIDN'T refer to "why would Dean by closeted if..."? I mean, it seems pretty fucking obvious that was what was being asked and I didn't imply otherwise in my post.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I see. You're just an idiot looking to drag out wank.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
No I'm not and fuck off.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I said a lot of words because I'm trying to be as clear as I can. I don't have a real opinion about the question you asked, I don't think it's what OP's actual secret was talking about, I don't think it's the point of the thread, and it's not that important to me.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
They asked why Dean would be in the closet when both he and Sam seem fine with homosexuality. You (I presume) said "lotta reasons." They asked you to expand on those reasons and you went into multi-paragraph lesson on everything BUT that. How is that "clear"?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
No, they asked me to elucidate why I think Dean is either gay or bi. That's what I was responding to there.

And I don't know if I have a more useful response on the other one. There are a lot of conceivable reasons why someone might be in the closet other than homophobia. That's all I'm saying, I don't have a particular one in mind.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
In other words, you have no proof. No evidence, you're just throwing words around for kicks and giggles.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Why would they need to go into an argument equipped with evidence proving a hypothesis they don't believe in and don't intend to argue for?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know what to tell you, buddy

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Ok but I mean it's a pretty piss poor manner of discourse to be all "there are plenty of reasons for X but I won't/can't name even one..."

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you think that homophobia is the only reason someone would be closeted?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-04 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What I think doesn't matter, because I have made no claims that I then refused to support.
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