[ SECRET POST #3834 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3834 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you can't take the words of a character (and 10+ years of watching said character on screen), what is the point of canon?

[(Anonymous)]

There is no point of canon.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't enjoy canons featuring unreliable narrators, or stories about characters learning things about themselves? You take everything characters say at face value?

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

Pretty much? Until given reason to think otherwise, I presume people mean what they say about themselves. And yeah, I generally don't enjoy unreliable narrators and I don't see how any of this precludes the liking of stories where characters "learn things about themselves."

[(Anonymous)]

That's kind of sad.

[(Anonymous)]

What? That I don't like the same things you like? That's kind of condescending and pretentious of you.

[(Anonymous)]

NARYT

I meant it back when I was a teen and said I was straight. Come to find out, I've always been bi, but was molested as a child by a woman so I tamped down that side of me so I wouldn't think about that.

Now that I've come to terms with what happened to me, I can embrace the fact that I'm bi. I learned a lot about myself. It precludes someone liking stories about characters who learn things about themselves because the original narrative changes. Like someone who thought they were straight realizes they are not, or someone who says they hate chocolate ice cream tasting some and hey, that stuff's not bad.

Which is why I consider there to always be wiggle room where characters are concerned. Characters are people, too, and people learn and grow as they live life. What is true today for a person, might not be true for them tomorrow. That is part of personal growth.

[(Anonymous)]

A changing narrative and an unreliable narrator aren't the same thing.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Dean Winchester's MO has always been to lie to people, ESPECIALLY to Sam, about what's going on with him.

He lied about being ordered to kill Sam, he tried to lie about making the demon deal but got caught, he tried to pretend he wasn't afraid of going to Hell until Sam pretty much twisted his arm to get him to admit he was afraid, he lied about remembering Hell ... the list goes on and on.

So it seems kind of silly to insist that this is the one thing he wouldn't lie about.

Re: da

[virtual_lips]

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE. ;-)

[bio_obscura]

A narrator isn't reliable until the text gives signals that they're unreliable. Otherwise there'd be no such thing as an unreliable narrator, because they'd all be unreliable.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see what would be so bad about treating all narrators as unreliable.

More broadly, I guess I'd say that I think, in a lot of cases, that there's not really one correct answer about whether a narrator is reliable or not. If you can come up with a plausible, useful interpretation where the narrator is unreliable, I don't see why you shouldn't, regardless of whether that's signaled in the text or not.

[bio_obscura]

I tend to agree with you, I just don't think "Dean is lying about being straight" is a plausible or useful interpretation in this case. Not that everyone isn't entitled to whatever fanon they want, but thinking Dean/Castiel is hot isn't enough reason to interpret Dean as closeted. There may be some differing definitions here about "interpretation" here, though. Head canon/fanon and interpretation are two different things, to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Head canon/fanon and interpretation are two different things, to me

Dead thread is dead now and everything, but holy shit, THIS.