[ SECRET POST #3834 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3834 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't understand why Dean repeatedly saying he is straight and has no interest in guys can't actually mean that he is straight and has no interest in guys.

It certainly *can* mean that. The question is does it *have to* mean that.

Like, again, look at what OP actually says. Not that Dean is definitely gay. Just that this particular statement does not prove he's straight.

[(Anonymous)]

In other words, I don't care what canon says, I wish it so, therefore my head canon triumphs.

Yeesh.

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DA

Yeah, that's not at all a misrepresentation of the argument in this thread. OP explicitly states that they believe Dean was intended to be straight, and as far as I can tell no one in this thread has argued that headcanoning Dean as gay/bi is more valid than headcanoning him as straight.

[(Anonymous)]

Like, again, look at what OP actually says. Not that Dean is definitely gay. Just that this particular statement does not prove he's straight.

When people argue about canon, what they're doing is not proving without a doubt that something is canon. Because it's pretty much impossible to unequivocably prove things within fiction. Dean could actually be part dragon, and it just hasn't come up yet. That's a thing that could be canon. Almost anything could be canon. But most things aren't.

When people argue about canon, what they're doing is trying to establish the validity, soundness, and probability of their interpretation of canon over other interpretations.

When someone argues that Dean is canonically straight, they are arguing that their interpretation is valid, sound, supported by the text, and highly probable to continue being supported by the text throughout its canonical run. And the fact that Dean states in canon that he is straight is a pretty significant bit of evidence to throw on the pile, especially since the writing never does anything to deliberately imply that his assertions aren't accurate and truthful.

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I would assume that someone who was engaged in making the argument for Dean being gay would make some other positive substantive evidence about why they think that, and why he would claim to be straight. I'm not trying to make that argument myself, which is why I don't have any reasons. And, I mean, neither was the secret OP.


When people argue about canon, what they're doing is trying to establish the validity, soundness, and probability of their interpretation of canon over other interpretations. When someone argues that Dean is canonically straight, they are arguing that their interpretation is valid, sound, supported by the text, and highly probable to continue being supported by the text throughout its canonical run.

I moooostly agree with what you're saying here. I think the one thing I would say is that I think the concept of "canon" is kind of an overly restrictive view of things. I don't think it's necessarily useful to focus on the idea of one single correct interpretation of the text, centered around giving a true and accurate account of the literal happenings within the narrative. You can have multiple conflicting interpretations of a text, which are equally plausible and useful and productive, and that's an OK thing to happen. Dividing interpretations into the framework of canon / headcanon is not necessarily a useful way to approach something like this.

I recognize that someone arguing that Dean is canonically gay isn't necessarily doing that kind of a thing, and also that you're not necessarily saying that canon is the only thing, or anything. That's just how I happen to think about it.