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⌈ Secret Post #518 ⌋

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I cannot get this out of my head (LOL 3:10 LOLLLLL O DRAMA)

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Oh. I hear you.

You have no idea how much I hear you. :/

I hate people. I was looking at one today from someone who was recently suspended for this. I know she didn't draw that. Lesson not learned. They never fucking learn!

Part of it is really a misunderstanding of what referencing really means. I wish I'd saved this quote I'd found on an art critique site -- it explained how 'referencing' is just supposed to give you a guideline of things like where muscles are positioned. Just a starting point that you then should work from, not take almost the entire composition of. I'm lousy at wording these things.

Defining referencing was harder than I thought! I think I worked it out though.

An artistic reference is a visual aid to guide you in drawing a pose or object that you may be unfamiliar with. The goal is not to trace, but to get an idea and use the referenced piece as a guide in perfecting the anatomy of the object that you are attempting to draw. Like any other form of academic referencing you should cite your sources.

Referencing is not to be confused with tracing. Laying a piece of paper (or a photoshop layer) on top of the original and copying its lines is tracing, not referencing. References are to be used as simple guides in the creation of new and unique materials.

Woo! That's what I meant. Thanks!

You're welcome. Feel free to throw it in people's faces! Take that you damn tracers!

I don't know....I kind of think that this is still art.

It's much like someone taking JKR's HP story and writing a fanfiction?

Why can't this artwork be consider in the same treatment? It's still art because "someone" is making it in their own style even though it is based on a "original" photo.

See, that's the thing. It's not just taking a concept and creating your own story with it, like fanfiction.

To use your example? This is like someone copied Harry Potter more or less word for word, just changed the names and put their name on it.

It's worse when it's done over other artwork. In comic book art it's considered alright if you produce your own photographs, and that's just to fill time constraints. But it's always taboo if you're tracing it from comic book art.

Shhhh ignore the account.

Yeah , but the pictures here for example are not exactly like the original, it was altered, "work had to be put into it."

Of course it would have been nice to see a disclaimer saying this was originally from _________.

The bodies were traced, as in the lines match up. That's the bad part here. That's where it's stealing.

I'm not denying that it is tracing from the original. I'm just saying that because "other" work was put into it, why wouldn't it still be considered art?

I realise with the example of 109 there was a major trace with the two men but at the same time there was "alterations" to it. So it wasn't exactly copy and paste (although I admit it is in a grey area).

The other work put into it does exclude the fact the main focus of the work was traced.

Let's say someone copies Harry Potter, like I said earlier, and it's all the same... but they add a fairly well written chapter about something in the middle somewhere.

Then they have added something to the story and would be considered fanfiction.

Plenty of authors do it. They take the original and mess around with it.

They added to it, changed it, and made something else of it.

It's just a different form of art, is all I'm getting at.

No. You are failing to understand.

If someone copies Harry Potter directly, same words, same everything, and inserts a chapter of their own, it's plagiarism with a fanfiction chapter in it.

If someone uses the characters and situations in their own words, adding their own originality, then you have fanfiction. Copying JKR's words is not fanfiction, rewriting her story in your own words is fanfiction. Putting her characters in situations she never imagined is fanfiction.

If someone copies a picture directly, lines and all, but adds a tattoo and a different hairstyle, it's art theft with a token gesture of originality.

If someone uses a picture as a reference and produces something similar to the reference with their own originality added in, then you get some worthy art. Until then, it's just hacks hacking away and trying to get some attention.

If someone copies Harry Potter directly, same words, same everything, and inserts a chapter of their own, it's plagiarism with a fanfiction chapter in it.

Yes, and you do see this in fanfiction althought most authors put disclaimers up, saying they took her words. However, if you want to use that example what about photomanips. Taking pictures from movie still and altering them for whatever reason. Would you still considered it unworthy art? Fandom in general does it all the time. Look above at all the secret pictures.

Just because you didn't draw it or take the picture, that you just made alterations on it to fit your purposes doesn't make it any less art.

Yes, claiming that you did it all yourself and this is how you draw, yeah that is a no no. Yet work was put into it to make it different, therefore in IMO it is still art.

If someone copies a picture directly, lines and all, but adds a tattoo and a different hairstyle, it's art theft with a token gesture of originality.

Then the same thing could be considered of Fanfiction, they are taking the characters, and sometimes plot and altering it. It's still considered fanfiction and accepted - well sometimes.

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