[ SECRET POST #3862 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3862 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[FunkoPOP]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Power Rangers 2017, Erica Cerra]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Peter Capaldi]


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[Gerard Way in "Ghost of You", Harry Styles in Dunkirk]

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[Fargo Season 3]












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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/AuMNo3m.jpg
[Peter Capaldi]

[(Anonymous)]

I so don't know how to come at this. Like, if it's true he was only paid that much, my gut reaction is to feel incensed on his behalf that he was so insultingly underpaid.

But then my brain is like, the takeaway from this should probably be that American actors are absurdly and nonsensically overpaid. Because if we don't compare his wages to an American lead actor's wages, 200K a year for a 13 episode season is honestly pretty sweet by all rational standards of measurement.

But then my third thought is that actors - even the ones getting paid an absurd 20 million a movie - are not actually The Problem with America/the American economy/American capitalism. There are so many other, infinitely more dire, places to point the finger in that regard, that latching onto actor's paychecks as a thing that Is A Problem and Should Be Changed just feels needlessly persnickety and unhelpful.

But then, if I'm going to accept American actor's paychecks as valid, that leads me back to Capaldi having been insultingly underpaid. Lol.

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly agree with this. But I think that while in one sense actors are overpaid, in another sense they're not overpaid, because their paychecks are entirely a result of the value of their actual labor.

[(Anonymous)]

This is true only in the sense that lead actors are paid in accordance with how much a movie they star in tends to earn.

By that metric, sound guys and location scouts and grips and stand-ins should all be paid on the basis of how well the films they work on are statistically likely to perform. But they're not.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, most American actors do not make millions because only a minority can command that kind of paycheck. Many probably make less than Capaldi in a good year.

Still, for the lead in a very popular show, it seems low.

(Remember that a traditional American network hour-long drama is something like 25 eposodes, not 13.)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh trust me, I know most actors don't make bank. I work in the film industry myself. For most actors, success is being able to act full time without needing a second job to make ends meet. That's why I specified in my comment that I was talking specifically about lead actors.

Also, I'd say its been well over a decade since 25 episode seasons were the norm. Thats why I specified 13 episode seasons in my comment. Because a 13 ep season is short enough to leave the actor plenty of time for family/fun/persuing other projects and just generally living, when the show isn't filming. I cant even imagine what it's like filming a 25 episode drama season for a lead actor. It eats your entire life, basically.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm inclined to say American actors are overpaid because they account for a hell of a lot for the budget and the other people working on the production don't get paid nearly as much.

As much as you might say "they are the face of the franchise" I still don't think the gaps in pay should be THAT large. Especially in instances where there is a lot of animation in something and art staff is putting in just as many hours and just as much as themselves but aren't getting as much pay and basically never get residuals.

Plus let's remember people working those hours who may not even be making any money, like unpaid interns and the amount of people who don't get paid for their overtime.

IDK I think you can have problems with American capitalism in a multitude of ways, you don't have to pick just one thing to have an issue with so it's ok to call out actors for being overpaid.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO the best way to characterize the problem is that the people around them are underpaid, not that they are overpaid.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, two sides of the same coin because working in production they'll essentially be "budget budget budget" with you all the time, so if an actor is getting paid X amount of money, yeah that can fuck over other people in the production.

I'm not saying it's entirely the fault of the actor but they are contributing to that system whether they agree with it or not.

[(Anonymous)]

I read somewhere that back in the day, Charlie Sheen was banking 1.25 million PER EPISODE of "Two and a Half Men". That blows my damn mind.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I don't know. Only a handful of actors can demand more than $10 million for a job. For The Force Awakens, only Ford got paid that much. Hamill and Fisher reportedly got paid more than a million, the rest of the primary cast were in the mid-low six figures.

A quarter million U.S. for a short season seems middling.

[(Anonymous)]

I would call 200K per episode middling to good. 200K to play the lead in an incredibly famous and well established series for an entire season? That's absurdly low, by American standards.

This list of highest paid primetime salaries starts to give you the picture. Naturally, the comedy actors tend to make more - that's basically just how it is. But just off of that list, we've got the actors who played House, Tony Soprano, Rick Grimes, Daryl Dixon, Lorelai and Rory Gilmore, and a bunch from Game of Thrones - all of them making 500K+ per episode.

[arcadiaego]

I don't think there's much comparison between the BBC and American TV stars, to be honest. I am kind of surprised by the number, but I don't know how the ratings and profits of Who compare to say, whatever Gary Lineker gets them.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, the fact that the UK has about a fifth of the population of the US might be a little bit related

[arcadiaego]

Yes, but Who is sold extensively abroad, though through BBC Worldwide (not funded by the license fee), so idk how that works out.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

American Television has traditionally been driven by stiff competition for ratings and advertising dollars among three networks, leading to some ridiculous fees for stars to keep the cash cow mooing.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it a low amount compared other BBC leads?

[initiala]

I mean, he's Peter Capaldi, so maybe this was a passion project? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[(Anonymous)]

I'm thinking it was too, which makes me a little sad considering how Moffat has been running it. I dearly love Capaldi and I'm glad he at least had time in the role he's always wanted but I'm looking forward to seeing him in something more deserving of his abilities (Thick Of It season 4 please)

[(Anonymous)]

I was at Florida supercon this weekend. Homeboy made at least that much in autograph and photo ops, if it makes you feel better. That shit was expensive, but he touched my shoulder in the photo so it was worth it.

[(Anonymous)]

: )

[sabotabby]

This made me smile.

[starfleetbrat]

The BBC has always had lower budgets for scripted drama than American produced shows. Every year the current showrunner of Who mentions budget issues. If I recall it was one of the reasons we had a short season/no season a while back.

For anyone interested, this info came to light with a transparency thing with the BBC recently. There is a list of people earning over 150 thousand pounds here for comparison:
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/19/peter-capaldi-doctor-who-salary-bbc/

Not many of the scripted drama people earn over 200K. The presenters of various things seem to earn the most.

[(Anonymous)]

At least Top Gear was interesting and entertaining.

[cici_nota]

I laughed out loud at "Top Gear asshats." Accurate, OP, accurate. Also the formerly Top Gear now working for Amazon asshats. (I even say this as someone who actively enjoys Top Gear. They're def. overpaid.)