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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-02 06:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #3864 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-08-02 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Even accepting the notion that this somehow makes the doctor trans, why then would that make her a "them/they"? I think you're confusing trans with gender neutral/agender/whatever bullshit is flying around these days.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
In most perspectives, or at least most of the perspectives of people who are part of those identities, gender neutral / agender people would still be under the trans umbrella. After all, trans is essentially "not the same as the gender you are assigned at birth", and very few people are assigned agender at birth LMAO.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Stop confusing sex with gender. You're not "assigned" anything at birth, your biological sex is registered.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
In the eyes of cis people, biological sex and gender are pretty much the same thing, so it's pretty much a given that both will be assigned at birth, even if in an unspoken sense.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Different anon I don't know if I'd generalize that all cis people believe sex and gender are the same thing, some do, some don't. There are some cis people who are completely for the abolishment of gender (radical feminists) so they wouldn't even acknowledge it in an unspoken way.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
(controversial opinion) I think a lot of those radfems who want to abolish gender are actually agender, or even trans and don't realize it, and they generalize their feelings about their assigned gender onto all people. "If I'm not comfortable with livins as a woman, no one is".

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually a portion of the radfem community are former trans people, I've read a few of their blogs and they generally just feel that gender roles are bullshit and they will align themselves with their biological sex, but not any gender. They are fine with being women because to them being a woman means nothing more then your biological sex.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
You stop confusing sex with gender. When babies are born, they do more than just write down what sex they are. They also start using gendered pronouns, dressing them in pink/blue, and generally treating them differently based on gendered expectations. That's gender assignment, not sex.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Because over 99 % of people actually aren't trans.
You don't stop teaching children how to speak because a few of them might prefer to have a different native language later in life.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Not that anon, but I'd argue that most people aren't entirely comfortable with the gender roles they've been assigned but it's too much of hassle to transition or transitioning would not relief that pain. Which is why there's been an influx of "bullshit" or "fake" genders.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
That's a problem with societal norms, not with one's sex or gender. I know, because I've been there.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
But those societal norms are directly linked to sex and gender so I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're making it. Like when I was younger I wanted to cut off my boobs which a lot of people would identify as gender dysphoria but it was because they were being sexualized not because I wanted to be a dude.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
But this is exactly my point. As a society, we need to learn how to treat people. We need to de-stigmatize therapy for people like you who were treated poorly. We need to accept that girls and boys can wear, think, feel, be anything they want, and it doesn't make them any less of a boy or a girl.

And the people for whom that's not enough? The people who are in the wrong body? Those are the only people who matter when you want to talk about trans rights and issues.

But rather than putting our energy into changing society to accept that there's no right or wrong way to be a woman or a man, we introduce all this bullshit that only makes it harder to be different.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Well said.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS. Thank you.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, but treating babies differently based on their gender is still harmful to them. Like, even if you're trying to avoid pushing stereotypes on them, people treat young kids differently based on the gender they think they are, even if they're doing the exact same things. I can dig up studies on this if you want. Heck, even if nobody treats them differently to their face, people internalize the gender bullshit of the society they live in. It'd be nice for more than just trans people if kids were raised more gender neutrally.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Yes that's the point. Children need to be brought up without gender stereotypes. The current gender-obsessed trend, though, is telling children that if they don't perform their sex-linked gender roles perfectly and within a very narrow definition, they are something "other"; some third gender or trans. That's so counterproductive it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so stupid. Get rid of gender stereotypes, don't go making up new genders for people who don't behave to fit into a very small rigid set of them.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Well, what trans actually means is "opposite" and anyone who wants to water it down with wishy washy nonsense can GET THE FUCK OUT.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-03 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Arguments from etymology are silly because word meanings change. Like, semantic drift is KIND OF a thing that happens. But, if we're going down that route, the Latin root means across or beyond, not just opposite. You can interpret someone who identifies as anything other than their assigned gender as transgender, in the sense of going across genders or beyond their assigned gender, etc.