[ SECRET POST #3890 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3890 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Harry Potter and Pretty Little Liars]


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[The Crown]


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[Me Before You (novel)]


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[Little Women, Jo/Laurie, Jo/Professor Bhaer]


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(Supergirl, Wynonna Earp)


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[The Defenders]













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Comments

[philstar22]

I want to ask a question, but let me say first off that I'm not disabled and I can't understand what it means to be disabled. I just, wonder, what about disabled people who do want to die? What message do we want to give to them? Maybe not "go ahead and die," but also I don't think we want to say "that's a wrong choice and you should feel bad about making that choice?"

Certainly, the message would be better coming from someone disabled. But I don't think saying that it is okay to make that choice is the same as saying you should make that choice? I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say. I just don't think we should be telling people that their own perspective on themselves is wrong and that they can't make choices they want to make. They are the only ones who can know themselves and what they are going through.

And I'm honestly sorry if any of this is ablist. I'm trying not to be, but if this is super offensive, feel free to just ignore it. It just seems like a complicated issue to me.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt and also not disabled but I follow some disabled activists

a lot of the trouble as I understand it is that the message 'it's okay to make that choice' just cannot possibly exist in a vacuum given 1) how shitty our society is to disabled people directly in terms of not supporting or accomodating them 2) how shitty and pervasive the messages are that disabled people's lives aren't worth living and 3) how super convincing depression is that you should be dead, even though 99% of suicide attempts that get stopped are glad later that they survived

there's a point at which even the hypothetical honest value of 'it's okay to make that choice' is just...totally overwhelmed by the awful stuff that it is easily co-opted by that makes it into an irresponsible message

and I think ayrt is having the reacting they are because they've had a whole lot of 1 & 2 in their lives, maybe sometimes armed with exactly this well-meaning sounding rhetoric


ALSO purely my own opinion, but I think right-to-die messages are a lot more convincing in the context of terminal illnesses and chronic pain, where it's a matter of timing and dignity, rather than ANYONE, even the person in question, deciding 'my life is definitely not worth living, my limitations are more important than anything else that might ever happen.' Because that's shit disabled people really do not need to hear more of.

[philstar22]

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.