[ SECRET POST #3891 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3891 ⌋

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[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/Jcvsusb.png

[(Anonymous)]

See, MCU Steve doesn't bother me. Joss Whedon Steve bothers me. He is great in his non-Avengers moives.

[tabaqui]

All of this.

[ketita]

Yes. And also, to be fair, Joss regularly warps the characters' personalities if he can get a cute joke out of it. None of the characterization is particularly good with him writing.

[(Anonymous)]

oh, this crap?

fuck.

[ketita]

Dude. I'm allowed to have an opinion on Joss Whedon. Yes, I think that he'll sacrifice personality for quips, and that bothered me in the Avengers.
For me the standout was actually Thor, who made the comment about Loki being adopted, which was seen as a joke. And it just seemed so off to me, since such a major element of the Thor+Loki relationship is that Thor sees him as his brother, and was deeply hurt by it.

I'm sorry if people having opinions offends you.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. As much as I laughed with that joke, something felt a bit off about it.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem I had with the joke was it's just a bad joke, because it relies on Midgardian culture Thor hasn't grown up with.

[(Anonymous)]

I really hated that joke too. He'd just spend all that time pleading with his brother to come home, to turn around and quip to the 'good guys' that nah, he's not really his brother made it feel like he was trying to lie and manipulate Loki.

Plus lets face it, Thor's probably killed a whole lot more than eighty people across the nine realms. He wasn't exactly gently subduing and arresting those Jotun in the first movie. They've kind of established that Asgard has no real taboo on killing people you consider to be a threat. Not trying to say Thor's a villain, at all! Just that it's a different morality situation.

[rivulet027]

Agreed. The Thor comment about adoption just didn't work, was offensive, and made no sense with what we've seen of the character.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. This is one of my issues with his writing, even though I often find the jokes themselves funny. It's possible (though more difficult!) to be humorous AND remain in character, but Whedon doesn't do that. As a result, a lot of his dialogue sounds very samey... because it's always Joss Whedon talking, and not the character. Unfortunately, ANY criticism of Whedon tends to set off complaints about anti-Whedonites and how awful they are, etc. even though it's not hate but legitimate critiques of his work.

But they wouldn't be his friends.

[(Anonymous)]

If he's been frozen the whole time, then he doesn't know those people from Adam. He would still be upset about the imposter, but I don't think that part would be heartbreaking for him.

Re: But they wouldn't be his friends.

[(Anonymous)]

He'd still be upset about Peggy and Bucky though

Re: But they wouldn't be his friends.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

The secret poster wrote 'all his friends know is a cheap imitation', so I can't see how they could mean either Bucky or Peggy (beyond the fact that a consequence with Peggy is spelled out separately).

[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood why the 'one god' line seems to be the one people take super seriously from steve when they're criticizing whedon's writing

like, the dude is catholic, and Thor does dress silly. I think maybe a lot of people whose main exposure to christianity is american evangelical protestantism have a kneejerk assumption that it's gonna be mean/straightlaced/conservative or whatever? but nothing about that line read as mean to me, like. Natasha isn't a worshipper of Thor, he wasn't getting in her face about getting religion wrong!!!! he was saying that Thor might be powerful, but he's also a guy in a funky cape, and steve's not scared of him, and they're gonna get through whatever nonsense is going on. And saying that in a quick joke seems to me a perfectly IC way to try and give a little tension-breaking encouragement/hopefulness to a fellow soldier, which is basically his relationship to Nat at that point.

like, the language thing in Ultron fucks me up, because it makes steve sound like he's a mormon pastor from the 50s instead of a catholic soldier from the 30s and 40s, it's just weird and straightlaced and puritanical and completely wrong

but the one god line I actually liked, and I'm as atheist as they come

[(Anonymous)]

Steve is Protestant, actually, per the comics.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also, if you think the writer's "one God" quip was informed by Steve's 30s mentality and not more by Fundamentalist attitudes, then I refer you to Thor's "he's adopted" joke where apparently an Asgardian is making Midgardian references.