[ SECRET POST #3891 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3891 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

See, MCU Steve doesn't bother me. Joss Whedon Steve bothers me. He is great in his non-Avengers moives.

[tabaqui]

All of this.

[ketita]

Yes. And also, to be fair, Joss regularly warps the characters' personalities if he can get a cute joke out of it. None of the characterization is particularly good with him writing.

[(Anonymous)]

oh, this crap?

fuck.

[ketita]

Dude. I'm allowed to have an opinion on Joss Whedon. Yes, I think that he'll sacrifice personality for quips, and that bothered me in the Avengers.
For me the standout was actually Thor, who made the comment about Loki being adopted, which was seen as a joke. And it just seemed so off to me, since such a major element of the Thor+Loki relationship is that Thor sees him as his brother, and was deeply hurt by it.

I'm sorry if people having opinions offends you.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. As much as I laughed with that joke, something felt a bit off about it.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem I had with the joke was it's just a bad joke, because it relies on Midgardian culture Thor hasn't grown up with.

[(Anonymous)]

I really hated that joke too. He'd just spend all that time pleading with his brother to come home, to turn around and quip to the 'good guys' that nah, he's not really his brother made it feel like he was trying to lie and manipulate Loki.

Plus lets face it, Thor's probably killed a whole lot more than eighty people across the nine realms. He wasn't exactly gently subduing and arresting those Jotun in the first movie. They've kind of established that Asgard has no real taboo on killing people you consider to be a threat. Not trying to say Thor's a villain, at all! Just that it's a different morality situation.

[rivulet027]

Agreed. The Thor comment about adoption just didn't work, was offensive, and made no sense with what we've seen of the character.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. This is one of my issues with his writing, even though I often find the jokes themselves funny. It's possible (though more difficult!) to be humorous AND remain in character, but Whedon doesn't do that. As a result, a lot of his dialogue sounds very samey... because it's always Joss Whedon talking, and not the character. Unfortunately, ANY criticism of Whedon tends to set off complaints about anti-Whedonites and how awful they are, etc. even though it's not hate but legitimate critiques of his work.