[ SECRET POST #3892 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3892 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're evaluating the characters in other yaoi dating games and manga based on their styliszed manga character art as well, so I don't see why you try to play the "design doesn't matter" card now.

You mean, the game that includes a bear and two geeks? The game where you can choose from multiple body types and it doesn't really influence your ability to date other people?

I mean the game where the geeks are fairly buff as well, the character designs are (probably intentionally) rip-offs of the male Overwatch cast and I can't actually think of any dating game where your player character's body type influences the dating-abilty of the characters but then again, I don't actually like dating sims anyway, be it this one or any other.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

You're evaluating the characters in other yaoi dating games and manga based on their styliszed manga character art as well, so I don't see why you try to play the "design doesn't matter" card now.

I'm evaluating the characters in yaoi games based on their:
1. visual representation
2. textual representation, and
3. formulaic roles and plots.

Of course, I didn't say "design doesn't matter," I pointed out that Damien's design is that he's a 40-ish (give or take a few years) father of a teenager. Since we're talking about a video game you can't just look at the box art and make conclusions about the design of a character completely ignorant of the text and interactivity.

[(Anonymous)]

So what, 200 year old loli immortal gets any less loli if you KNOW she's actually 200 years old?

And again, I was mostly talking about the visual aspect, which is mainly what the word "bishonen" is about. It's literally a pretty boy. The characterisation, formulaic plot etc have no impact on whether or not someone is visually portrayed as a bishonen/biseinen.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Apples and oranges since loli is a fashion style and not necessarily a character archetype.

As far as I can tell, the only pretty boy in the game is Lucien, and he's not datable (because that would be creepy.) But, if you're going to judge interactive characters in a game based on the most superficial reading of the cover art, there's no point in arguing with deliberate and intentional ignorance.

[(Anonymous)]

Loli not as in lolita style but "creepy young girl fetish character".

You brought up bishounen stereotypes. And the only thing I said is that visually, at least one guy meets the "bishounen stereotype" mark quite a bit. Everything else here has been intentionally misreading thing on your part/interpreting things into it that were never said. So keep arguing in bad faith, I'm done with this.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Loli not as in lolita style but "creepy young girl fetish character"

Are you down to "humpty dumpty" discourse where you can define words willy nilly absent the cultural context of use?

You brought up bishounen stereotypes. And the only thing I said is that visually, at least one guy meets the "bishounen stereotype" mark quite a bit.

Yes, and as I pointed out, referring to a 40-year old father character as a "pretty boy" stretches that word beyond all proper meaning. If that's the extent of your argument, might as well just admit that you're an ignorant contrarian who doesn't understand what "bishounen" means as a narrative trope, and arguing from a position of ignorance as to what the game actually says about the character in question.

Everything else here has been intentionally misreading thing on your part/interpreting things into it that were never said.

Really? I've responded directly to what you've said. The problem is what you've said is a bunch of ignorant bullshit, both about the game you're trying to interpret, and the genre you're trying to shoehorn the character into.

[(Anonymous)]

By this point, you're just making shit up to be offended over, so nah, not going to continue this. Some of the things you claim are plain wrong, but if you want to lie and goalpost-move your way some more, go ahead.

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty clear you're not operating on the same understanding of anime fandom that the people you're arguing are. Loli was very obvious given the context and many terms like BL, bishounen, and hentai have had their definitions altered some which usually happens with foreign loan words.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

If Damien is bishonen, why not Sir Ian? He is, after all, both strikingly beautiful and a boy if we're going that far.

And again, why are you stubbornly insistent in applying a Japanese trope with significant gender, anti-gay, anti-trans, and body-policing bias to a 40-ish father in an American LGBTQ-centric game? Why must I view Damien in your terms, and not in reference to the Goth culture he claims?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

They're not defining the word willy nilly, you're just ignorant of what it actually means.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Do I really need to quote to you the multiple definitions and commentary on the topic, all of which center around the following characteristics:

1. young
2. beautiful
3. primarily a Japanese pop culture phenomenon
4. effeminate
5. homosexual

(Of which, only two apply to Damien.)

[(Anonymous)]

Not that word.