[ SECRET POST #3909 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3909 ⌋

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[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/XVgjNsD.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Gideon initially but after time and looking back, I find him a bit of a cold fish. He's unquestionably brilliant and he has his moments but I prefer Hotch's more nurturing approach to the team and I enjoyed his tenure a lot more. Then of course Thomas Gibson had to mess that up with his stupid shenanigans...

[supermanda]

I feel this way about Rube from Dead Like Me

[(Anonymous)]

I liked his character, too. Yeah, he wasn't the warmest guy, but given the reason why he'd been on medical leave prior to the beginning of the show, it's understandable, and I think his standoffish personality was an interesting contrast to the warmer, close-knit bonds the rest of the team forged during Gideon's time on the show.

And even then, he still did have his kinder moments, too. Few and far between, yes, but nice when they happened.

[tabaqui]

I never liked him, particularly because of the way he treated Garcia. I didn't miss him when he left - Rossi is much more fun!

But that show pretty much lost the plot about season five (?) when they did the whole 'agent is dead, whoops! not dead!!' switcheroo crap, and had that ridiculous 'i haven't graduated from Quantico yet but i'm being brought as a fully-fledged agent' character that just...*sucked*.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. IIRC they had a shake up of writing staff and they also made a crappy decision to fire the actresses who played Emily and A.J. THAT went over like a lead balloon and then they replaced her with a poorly written new female character who fandom LOATHED. Then they tried to fix everything, but honestly, it wasn't the same after that.

[tabaqui]

Yup, all of this. She was a *dreadful* 'replacement'; completely over the top and ridiculous.

I haven't seen any of the very newest episodes, though I think about half the original cast is gone at this point, so i'm not terribly interested.

[philstar22]

CM is the one show I haven't given up on. I don't know what it will take to quit, honestly. It is the only crime show I still watch and actually one of the few current tv shows I still watch.

[tabaqui]

I don't have cable anymore, so most tv series i either watch on Netflix or dl the whole season at the end to watch. I just...got so put off by all the goofiness and poor writing choices.... *sigh*

I wish I could say i still liked it enough to bother, but i just don't.

[philstar22]

I totally get that. It actually got better the last few seasons. But honestly, this is just that show for me. The one I won't quit no matter what. I love the characters. I was into profiling before the show even started (read all the books by the FBI guys who started the whole thing). So it is going to take a lot for me to give it up.

[tabaqui]

Yeah, I totally understand that. Some shows you just can't quit. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the same way. The characters were what drew me in here, and while I totally get people not watching anymore after certain characters have left, and feeling like the dynamic's changed, I've personally managed to like/love every team member that's been on the show over the years. And the cast generally seems like a cool bunch, too. So even when the plots get all goofy and weird, I can overlook it 'cause I'm mainly interested in what's going on with the characters.

Plus, I didn't properly even start watching until season eight was going (I'd seen some of the show here and there prior to that, but it was during that season I started regularly following the show). So I figure since I came in late, I might as well stick with it to the end :p.

[(Anonymous)]

This is one character who suffered for me because of the actor. I can't think fondly on him anymore because I'm just reminded of the actor's actions. It's a shame.

[(Anonymous)]

What did Mandy Patinkin do?

[(Anonymous)]

He left the show abruptly, without warning. Just didn't show up to work one day, wouldn't come back to film some good-bye scenes, either. The show had to scramble to write him out of the series. Patinkin later claimed that the dark subject matter of the show (a show about the FBI hunting down murderers, kidnappers and serial killers that he willingly joined) affected him and he couldn't go on. People though well fair enough, but leaving without a word to your employers or co-workers is pretty unprofessional.

Then he went and joined the cast of Homeland, a much more lighthearted show where nothing dark ever happens. /s

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, he kind of had a point. His departure came around the time when the series was beginning to become more exploitative and voyeuristic in its depictions of violence. I'm not the kind of person who can't watch horror movies, but even to me there was a marked difference between the darkness of the material in season one, and the darkness of the material after his departure. I can see why it might have become hard to deal with even if it seemed okay when he signed on. The fact that dark things happen in a series is much less important than how those things were handled, and in Criminal Minds I thought the subject matter was increasingly mishandled.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people would give him more of the benefit of the doubt if he'd handled the situation more professionally and if he didn't keep taking potshots at Criminal Minds and the actors who decided to stay. That's why I personally dislike him. He could've discussed his concerns like an adult instead of just not showing up and making the production scramble to figure out what to do. There's also no call to be so dismissive of the fans who still like Criminal Minds.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I totally get the subject matter of the show being a bit much for people after a while, but there's better ways to handle it.

There's also no call to be so dismissive of the fans who still like Criminal Minds.

Especially considering that a lot of the fans, including those who still watch, have made similar complaints about the grim content of the show in recent years as well. I've noticed that some people seem to have this strange assumption that if somebody's a fan of this show that clearly means they're totally okay with and practically eager to watch women getting brutally murdered each week, and that that's the only reason people watch the show.

Every time I hear that, it makes me wonder if the people making those assumptions have ever actually talked to any of the show's fans, 'cause if they had, they'd know that the characters/cast are the big draw for most of us. And when it comes to the case side of things, we're much more interested in the psychological aspect and solving the case alongside the team than we are any sort of torture porn. There may well be a few viewers here and there who get a thrill out of the more grotesque elements, but I think they're pretty few and far between, if anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course he was unprofessional about it, if everything went down the way we think it did. I just think it's disingenuous to try and insinuate that he was full of shit about the ~dark subject matter~ because he moved on to a show that was also dark, as if all violent canons are created equal. Not every canon that deals with dark subjects is just 24/7 crying women being menaced by insensitively portrayed mentally ill people.

When has he taken potshots at or been dismissive to the Criminal Minds cast and its fans? In the statement I remember, he specifically said that he didn't judge procedural fans, but it's obviously been a long time.

[(Anonymous)]

And if he didn't do the same shit after he left Chicago Hope.

[(Anonymous)]

I strongly disagree about the timing - Criminal Minds had a really good run up to about the end of season 4 or early season 5 *not* being exploitative or voyeuristic and never, ever blaming victims. It was one of the very few crime shows I watched for exactly that reason. I do agree that the subject matter was increasingly mishandled, but that was years after Patinkin walked out.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I completely understand needing to leave because the material just went places you didn't want to go. But there are established procedures for this kind of thing. You don't just NOT show up for work one day and leave everyone hanging. As someone who's been in show business a long time, Patinkin knows this. He chose to deliberately ghost his job, creating a lot of unnecessary panic and work for people who'd done nothing to wrong him in any way. And then he chose not to ever apologize for behaving so unprofessionally and instead chose to lob passive aggressive snark at the people who chose to stay - people who were less rich, less well known, with less established careers than him. People who do not necessarily the option of burning their bridges the way he chose to do.


Very bad form, that.

[(Anonymous)]

Details on the passive aggressive snark?

[skeletal_history]

I had to stop watching this show because I got sick of watching women get tormented for entertainment purposes, so although I think Patinkin showed bad form in quitting like he did, I totally understand why he did it.

That said, the episode when Gideon works to save a woman on death row was phenomenal and it completely wrecked me. That was his finest moment.

[(Anonymous)]

That is a very good episode, yeah. Truly moving ending.