[ SECRET POST #3914 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3914 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Smallville]


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[Riley, Julie's Greenroom]


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[Anne with an E]


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[Bojack Horseman]


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[Jeeves and Wooster, P.G. Wodehouse]











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Comments

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Oh, for fuck's sake. We have nearly 200 years of recorded history just within anglophone culture of people who lived full time with fluid and intermediate gender expression. We just used rude names for that or looked the other way. That's not looking at the ethnographic diversity of nonbinary gender around the world.

I'll point out that queer gender is a legal and de facto reality as well. I've been been beaten, raped, turned down for jobs, fired from jobs, threatened, and harassed for failing to pass as my legal gender. And now that I can pass, I experience all of the ugly and life-shortening problems that come having a closet.

Maybe, the people holding you back from a mythical post-gender utopia are not nonbinary and genderqueer people who experience dysphoria at having to pass in a binary-gender world. Perhaps the problem rests with the employers, the doctors, the insurers, the bureaucrats, and the people on the street who violently enforce gender-binary expectations.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[(Anonymous)]

"Gender expression" is an obnoxious phrase because it implies that anyone who does not present how society expects them to present based on gender stereotypes is somehow queer. That's complete bullshit. People can act true to themselves and in a way that society doesn't expect, and not make up new pronouns for themselves.

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No it doesn't. I use "gender expression" because while we have substantial documentation about people who cross-dressed or did androgyny for substantial parts of their lives at substantial risk and cost, history hasn't been kind to their own words and beliefs with a handful of exceptions.

The notion that recognizing nonbinary gender marks any form of gender nonconformity as queer is a ridiculous slippery slope. No, the existence of Kate Bornstein and Leslie Feinberg do not make girls who game and boys who knit queer. Gender roles have some flexibility, but limited. GNC subcultures are flexible in different ways. Bornstein and Feinberg started talking about nonbinary gender having considerable experience with those limits.

The last time I saw a survey on the pronoun issue--unfortunately a convenience sample--singular "they" was the winner, followed by the classic neopronouns from the 1970s. I've seen little widespread support for "nounself." I tend to agree with Le Guin that not having a gender-neutral human pronoun limits what you can say about gender (a flaw of Le Guin, Leckie, and Banks.) Literary constraints aside, I see little reason to not respect a person's preferred mode of address if they're not being a dick about it. Bickering about preferred nonbinary pronouns sounds suspiciously like the bickering regarding changing binary pronouns. And now that both the GLAAD and AP style guide agree that "they" is acceptable in print for nonbinary people who prefer "they," it's a bit like being a dick over "email."

Re: Everyone's nonbinary?

[(Anonymous)]

I am so fucking tired of the fact that when one part of the LGBTQ+ rainbow gets a little respect, the first thing they do is throw a more-marginalized group under the bus.

I'm an evil bisexual "for the attention" who is somehow making it harder for the "real gays and lesbians" to get their rights, and I'm a "special snowflake" who will somehow "ruin it" for the real trans people by my very existence.

The last time I engaged with "The Community" was when I was working in a No on Prop 8 phone bank. Since then, I've decided to focus my activism on other causes; mostly reproductive justice and, lately, to sticking it to the (Orange) Man.