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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-28 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #3921 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3921 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I don't get why having a head cannon that Hermione is a poc is """aggressive"" but uh, okay.

Maybe people just wanna headcannon chatacters being a different race because they want more diversity. Maybe they just like it. It's not a huge deal in the long run.

I swear this is like 20th secret I've seen on this topic. Y'all gotta chill and move on.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, all of this. :/

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
The Black Hermione headcanon people are generally p. chill. The Indian James people are the more aggressive ones in my experience. Some of em get downright angry if you point out that their headcanon is just that when they start acting like it is 100% Real Canon that James is 100% Deffo Indian, on the the basis that it isn't explicitly stated that he isn't.
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[personal profile] mimi_sardinia 2017-09-30 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if the Black Hermione people are chill because they have at least one piece of "canon" (though I consider it secondary canon at best) backing them up. They feel validated in their headcanon.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I really don't think they mean that just headcanoning Hermione as black is aggressive. I interpreted the secret as referring to people who frequently and self-consciously evangelize that headcanon, as if trying to convince themselves more than anyone else. It's pretty common now for people to feel guilty for liking "problematic" canons or characters, so they'll go to the ends of the earth to ascribe marginalized identities to their faves so that they can feel as though it's more acceptable to like them. People feel bad that their favorite canon is racist, sexist, transphobic, etc so they headcanon their favorite characters as POC, trans, mentally ill... whatever it takes to make them feel they've "fixed" the canon's flaws so they can fangirl without guilt. The problem isn't the headcanons, it's the motivation behind them. Headcanons should be something that makes you happy, not just something you cling to out of guilt.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this completely.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
But my problem with this - and arguments like this in general - is that, one, what constitutes "frequent and self-conscious" is very much in the eye of the beholder. and, two, it's both an enormous assumption and an enormous generalization.

I agree that it does happen sometimes. Absolutely. I just get really really edgy about how far you can say that it goes.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

It doesn't just happen "sometimes." It's epidemic, and still spreading.

I actually like and subscribe to many "diverse" headcanons, and it's extremely obvious, as someone who holds these kinds of headcanons out of love for the canon or character, when someone only holds/evangelizes them out of guilt. Pretending that this problem exists infrequently or not at all (or that it isn't a symptom of a larger problem in fandom right now) is either very naive or very disingenuous.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm definitely not saying that it never happens.

But I definitely do think that it is the kind of thing that people are generally extremely prone to overstating. I think it's a kind of behavior it's really easy to misread and an assumption it's really easy to make.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I used to think that way. Then I started paying closer attention and realized that I'd been giving people the benefit of the doubt when in actuality they were doing and saying exactly what my gut told me they were. It was a lot more comfortable thinking that the critics were just misreading things (either accidentally or intentionally), but unfortunately I really don't believe that the complaints about performative behaviors in fandom are overstated. If such criticisms are overexposed, it's only in wanky/bigoted circles, which really only detracts from the credibility of people who make similar criticisms in good faith.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Then I started paying closer attention and realized that I'd been giving people the benefit of the doubt when in actuality they were doing and saying exactly what my gut told me they were

how did you determine this

OP

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
This says all of it. The people who just headcanon stuff are fine. It's the people who get aggressive and defensive about how a show has canon LGBT representation when they mean a popular headcanon is that a character is gay.

Basically every post that looks like "Pidge is a canon demi ace transboi otherkin. FITE ME!!!!" "Ummm Harri Potter is desi I don't make the rules :) :) :)" It comes across as wanting to have your cake and eat it too. You want to come across as the sort of person who enjoys progressive characters, without actually going to the effort to consume diverse media with canon progressive characters. You're bragging about how when you read The Hobbit to your kids you genderswap all the characters so they get a story about epic ladies, instead of seeking out books that already have female characters in them.

The picture just popped up in my sidebar as a featured post so I have no idea if the artist is one of those or not, but I do know Indian!Harry is a popular 'fite me' headcanon.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah i know the types you mean.

they want to be seen as being oh so progressive and woke so they make up hundreds of diverse headcanons for their 100% straight-white media, but never bother to watch anything that actually has the rep they claim to care about.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
A head "cannon" seems pretty aggressive to me...

...ok I will see myself out.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-29 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL :D.