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⌈ Secret Post #3923 ⌋

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[Close Your Eyes]

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[Brooklyn 99]

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[Daredevil, Vanessa Marianna/Wilson Fisk]

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[Good Omens, by Neil Gaiman]

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[A Wrinkle In Time, the forthcoming film]

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[FullMetal Alchemist]

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We're never going to convince pro-choice people that a woman's agency over her own body is more important than a human life as long as we're conceding the heavy rhetoric of it being like ending a human life. I get frustrated every time I see the argument shifted to that point, because it just isn't gonna happen. They don't care that much about what it's like to be pregnant when you don't want to be. They do not give a single shit.

uh, *pro-life people

Nope. And they also don't see the hypocrisy of picketing abortion clinics, but not giving a thought to all the embryos that are either frozen and later disposed of at fertility clinics, OR those selectively reduced during IVF. Another sticking place is ectopic pregnancies.

It basically boils down to "if it's in a uterus, it's a baby and killing it is murder, but if it's anywhere else, it's not."

And they say pro-choicers are hypocrites.

How is it not ending a human life? I agree that sexual education is vital so we can prevent as many people as possible from having to make that decision and abortion should be an option, but some pro choice argument as much as possible on dehumanizing language because they don't want confront the fact it's murder.

It's not ending a life because it's like saying jerking off is murder. Under the right set of circumstances it MIGHT become a life and yeah, taking Plan B makes absolutely sure those circumstances don't happen. But so's jerking off into a sock instead of a vagina. Those potential babies never stood a chance.

That's a big difference in probability though. While there are some factors that cause an embryo to naturally terminate, comparing that probability to hundreds of miliions of sperm in an average jack off session is a misrepresentation.

Slightly? But a fuckton of shit can go wrong for that embryo in the first trimester. It's actually ridiculously hard for a fertilized egg cell to implant properly and tons of women don't even realize how many fertilized eggs they shed without ever becoming detectably pregnant.

Obviously the later you go the better the odds that little zygote won the lottery and actually has a decent chance, but there's a reason in vitro tosses in a ton of eggs and prays.

There's actually a big difference. The legal limit in my country is past the point where a foetus can hear and only two weeks before it can survive if born prematurely.

It's entirely disingenuous to say that terminating that life is like jerking off.

I'm pro choice, I just think people shouldn't treat it lightly.

Sorry, murder is a legal term for an act that meets certain criteria, so even if it's 'ending a life' or 'killing' I see no way it can be classed as murder.

It's also got a informal definition that's widely understood and should be understandable with context of my post. Playing semantic arguments only furthers my point.

Nah. I will never consider it murder to remove someone from my body who doesn't have a right to be there and I don't consider labeling the act properly a semantic game. I might say the ones playing a game are those throwing around emotive terms like murder and murderers.

This is weird to me because it feels like such a modern debate; back before ultrasounds and up through, oh, the early 1800s at least, ending a pregnancy was often seen as fine (or at least no-one else's business) until mom felt something kicking her from the inside, anywhere from 16 to 25 weeks in.

I mean, if the pregnant woman wasn't married or engaged there might be issues, but not specifically about protecting the precious fetus from the moment of conception. It wasn't always seen as murder.

And when someone's been pregnant seven months and gets an abortion, it's because there's something seriously wrong with the potential kid, or mom's life is at risk, or just possibly because a pregnant woman wanted an abortion the whole time and wasn't allowed one. I personally think it's way more evil for someone to legislate or otherwise force a woman not to terminate a pregnancy than it is for a woman to end one at any time, even if I'd have a really hard time having an abortion myself.

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