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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-30 03:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #3923 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3923 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Close Your Eyes]


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[Brooklyn 99]


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[Daredevil, Vanessa Marianna/Wilson Fisk]


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[Good Omens, by Neil Gaiman]


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[A Wrinkle In Time, the forthcoming film]


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[FullMetal Alchemist]













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What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking more politics, but you can apply it to any shared interest or goal.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2017-09-30 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
STOP FOCUSING SO MUCH ON TRUMP'S TWITTER! You are playing into the media by being distracted by stupid shit instead of what is important.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem I have with the "distraction" line of reasoning is that like... some of these things are distractions, some of them aren't, but all of them are bad and legitimately worthy of criticism. I don't think it's realistic to say that you can effectively just ignore some of them. I think people have to be able to focus on more than one thing at a time and deal with that reality.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The left (vague concept I know) 's inability to actually accomplish something.

Taking the high road does no good when your opponent has no morals.
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[personal profile] morieris 2017-09-30 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
what do you have in mind specifically

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Right? End the bitch.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
+1 This has plagued the Democrats for as long as I can remember.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
"They go low, we go high" resulted in President Trump. Has the Democratic Party learned the lesson? Nope.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Treating people like shit, on the the other hand, is a great way to win friends and influence people.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Refusal to believe they might be misogynistic.

Like there's been a lot of recent backpatting where two white ladies tried to open a burrito cart and were met with harassment of CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!!!!!!! and forced to close down.

Meanwhile they'll still eat at Qdoba and Taco Bell even though their CEOs are white as fuck.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
People who complain that certain secrets here are racist/sexist/-ist. It's one thing to point it out when the secret maker sounds unaware of their bias, but another to be like "that's sexist" at a secret where the whole point and context is that yes, the secret maker knows that and is ashamed of some sexist thing or problematic kink they like and it's a secret.

I'm not anti sjw for the record. I've been called an sjw myself. But time and place and context, fellow kids.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's kind of pointless. A lot of those secrets make it clear that yeah, OP realizes it's problematic. That's why they're making the secret. But there's always some Captain Obvious Anon who shows up all outraged (or pretending to be outraged, anyway!) about how awful and -ist the OP/secret is and blah blah blah. I'm like oh, well done, you passed the reading comprehension portion of the test.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
being assholes to people and still having the unimaginable gall to claim the moral high ground

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
We're never going to convince pro-choice people that a woman's agency over her own body is more important than a human life as long as we're conceding the heavy rhetoric of it being like ending a human life. I get frustrated every time I see the argument shifted to that point, because it just isn't gonna happen. They don't care that much about what it's like to be pregnant when you don't want to be. They do not give a single shit.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Having to be diametrically opposed to everything the ideological 'enemy' does or says no matter what it is.

Hypocrisy.

Uncritically accepting anything people of the same ideology say. Uncritically believing any bullshit news story so long as it paints the enemy in a bad light.

Inability to see nuances in any situation.

Honestly, all of this applies to people on any side.

Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm all for fighting glorification of abuse and I'm against pedophilia when it IS pedophilia but the whole callout thing that's going around is just fucking pointless and only doing harm.

It would help if it didn't run on a mistaken sense "ideological purity" and all or nothing thinking. It would help if it wasn't run by people who just wanted to see a person burn no matter HOW many times they tried to apologize. It would help if people actually knew what they were talking about.

It would certainly damn fucking help if we didn't have actual abuse victims being attacked and called the same as their abusers over fucking fiction or having to prove they were actually abused at all. .

I'm not going to sit here and claim that fiction never affects reality obviously. But people are taking the fact that fiction can affect reality and using it to justify treating fictional actions and situations the same as actual actions. What people imagine in their minds is is rarely the same as what they want to happen in real life.

We imagine dangerous situations in fiction because fiction is controlled and wanting some dramatic turn that involves a murder or something IS NOT the same as wanting a murder to actually happen or being okay with murdering someone. And right now there's almost a small movement of people who want to pretend there is no difference so they can socially castigate other people to bolster their "woke cred" .

I mean I've fucking talked to people who had no empathy for people once they committed a wrong in their eyes. They're terrifying to be around frankly and I couldn't even bring myself to disagree or try to debate them once I knew how they felt about people who were in their eyes , wrong.

It's beyond frustrating it is literally terrifying. These mindsets are poison to any movement that wants to actually achieve things.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
We need immigration control badly. But because the right in my country is xenophobic as fuck, the left (my 'side') are all anti-immigration control.

There needs to be middle ground.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
The focus on thought rather than action.
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Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

[personal profile] thewakokid 2017-09-30 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, shit.

Some fucking self awareness guys. You doing the same shit the other guys are doing. And when called on it you go "No it's different when I do it / This situation is different because..." which is the same thing the other guys are doing. Be aware of yourself, be aware of your opponents, and understand that they're the fucking same as you. Then be better.

Also, the people who get lumped in with my side, even if I don't consider them my allies piss me off no end. If you're going to be lumped in with me, please stop making me look so bad by being fucking ignorant.

Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I get annoyed when people fall for fake news, even non-political fake news, but the political stuff sucks because I want to scream that there's a surfeit of actual reprehensible bullshit happening, stop passing along stories just because they make the other side look dumb so you can point and laugh. It's pretty well established that lots of them are horrible people with the brains of rabid gophers, you don't have to make shit up to prove it.

Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-30 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Their "BOOM! Gotcha!" quips are as illogical as those on the other side. I agree with the message, but the logic is bad and negates the point. For example, the other day I saw one that was "Funny how conservative men think nobody owes workers a living wage but they think women owe them sex."

Bwuh????????? You can't compare those things? The first one is about a belief in what the government legally allows, and the second is about a belief in what counts as a personal obligation. For the comparison to work, you would need to allow that men believe women are legally obligated to have sex with them. But are there organized groups of men pushing for laws to make refusing sex a crime? Nah. Bad comparison. Be smarter than your competition.
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Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

[personal profile] philstar22 2017-10-01 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I think people on my side often focus on just one area of discrimination (and very often that is economic discrimination and class issues) and ignore the existence impact of other types of discrimination or the fact that all of them interplay together.
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Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

[personal profile] cakemage 2017-10-01 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
I hate how quickly we tend to turn on each other, and how petty and insignificant the "offenses" often are that are touted as reasons for turning on each other. I've said this before, but every time a celebrity (especially a female celebrity) is put on a pedestal and praised like a god/dess for supposedly being a shining example of how to do social justice right, you just KNOW that it's only a matter of time before they say or do something that doesn't meet the rigorous standards of Wokeness set by their armchair activist fanbase, and just like that, they are and always have been scum. "We've been tellin' all y'all fake-ass bitches for years that (celebrity) was trash and y'all are stupid for stanning over them, now please disregard all my previous blog posts where I've gushed about what a flawless god/dess they are and said 'YAAASS SLAY' to everything they've ever said and done before."

Like, I just recently saw a post on Tumblr (naturally) calling Ellen Degeneres a literal sociopath because she wanted to end seal slaughter even though many First Nations people depend on seal meat to survive. Should Ellen have done a little research on the issue before making that statement? Probably, but good grief, the way some of these people go on, you'd think they'd never said anything ignorant or insensitive in their entire lives. Nope, they were 100% Woke from the day they were born and anyone who doesn't match up to their inherent superiority is automatically and eternally a worthless piece of trash and probably also a pedophile. There is no in-between.

It's just crazy. Don't progressives have enough problems to deal with right now without turning on each other over comparatively minor issues?

Re: What frustrates you about people "on your side"?

(Anonymous) 2017-10-01 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
An important thing for people to remember, maybe, is that someone having the same enemies as you isn't necessarily the same as you being on their side.