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[ SECRET POST #528 ]

⌈ Secret Post #528 ⌋

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Hell, even through the age romantic love is usually hearlded STRONGER than friendship love. <---um, no

Uh, yes. Study history and philosophy.

And uh, no. And not most people would drop a series because of a romance itself but how it written more often than not and how they handle it (and frustration of the romance usually taking the safe route). For example, I liked Fruits Basket, I didn't mind of the canon romances in the beginning such as Hatori/his ex-fiancee's best friend, Kureno/Arisa, Hiro/Risa, in fact I liked them. However, the author wrecked the main love triangle by using the stupidest move ever in a shoujo, one of the suitor loved the main character as a MOTHER when the enitre series made it very, very clear he didn't feel that way. Plus, people get tired when the First Girl/Guy wins trope gets abused to high hell.

To be honest, I think a majority amount of gen fics tend to be flat to me because they never quite live up to the canon. And they're not exempt from OOC neither. Plus it feels that I already get most of my gen fascination from the canon and it feels like it. It like getting second helpings of most of the time. Like a good slash fic, it's hard to find a gen fic that shines.

And I think you have quite dissonance of how much smut there actually is. Fics that range from G-PG13 greatly outnumbers R and NC-17 fics. I know this from years of being on the fringe of fandom. Even if you go to fanfiction.net and filter out all the R and NC-17 fics, you're only gonna notice maybe 10%-15% of fics go missing. I'm pretty damn sure in LJ, that ratio is more/less the same, percentage a bit higher or lower depending on the fandom.

They don't want all sex parties and stuff, stop over-exaggerating. Most shippers ship for the romance, sex is usually a perk than anything and some *sigh* don't like the sex equation come in some of their pairings! And it's not the romance and sex that degrades a character, it's people not writing it in character (sometimes this can be pretty diffcult if the character has never shown to fall in like/love before) whether it's romance, friendship or gen.

Plus, a huge percentage of fandom is in an age that romance is running on the brain.

holy shit get out of here with your far-fetched psychobabble

:D Someone doesn't feel like Googling!

someone did google and finds you're full of shit

I doubt it because that someone is showing no proof.

i wanna see YOUR proof first, Wilhelm Wundt.

since you brought the stupid shit up in the first place

In Christian beliefs, even though love is all encompassing, a love between your spouse is in a higher order than a love for a friend. Heck the Christian bible is chock full of stories exalting romantic love more than anything else (even to dedicating a book called the Song of Solomon, which is... err... a celebration of love between a man and his wife. Don't surprising that this carried over to the modern era. In Judaism, they hold a similar belief.

The Persian also adopted the idea of through 'Eshgh, which is a gradual love

The Ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Socrates usually herald romantic love with other men as ideal (although they seem disregard the sexual part in Phaedrus).

Even in modern society, the romance genre is the most popular genre in America, and popular in other countries. We're fed with the ideal of finding the One, a soul mate who is your lover and friend, and all that jazz whether it's though books, TV or movies. We even have a holiday celebrating romantic love. While friendships do get exalted, but not as much as love.

i want a source too, not your stupid bullshit interpretation.

I'm not one of the crazy!amusing!anons, but I am a slash-hater, and ... I can agree that romantic love is of higher regard than the love between friends. However, it annoys me to no end that so many slash fans will take something that is purely a friendship and decide to twist it into a romantic, sexual affair. To me, friendship is pretty fucking pure; I'm not saying sex is a dirty thing, just that it should be really be shared with someone you consider a friend because uh no, wtf. And contrary to what some stupid fucks say, yes, there is a difference between a significant other and a friend, although the latter is most likely a quality you do want from a SO.

However, I also do agree that romance is kind of a load of bullshit. Basically it's just a way for one to get into another's pants. XD ...But I could just be jaded from bad relationships, bawww. I'm down with it in fanfiction, though, but um.

Not between gay pairings, unless they're canon. Honestly, I just cannot stand to see characters being essentially bastardized for the sake of the author's own selfish desires (see: all this "exploring their relationship" nonsense). That's not to say it doesn't annoy the fuck out of me for het pairings, too, because oh shit does it. I don't wanna read about these two BFF suddenly deciding to get married — especially if they're already married or otherwise in a relationship with someone else.

/rant

just that it should be really be shared with someone you consider a friend because uh no, wtf

Shouldn't. wtf. D: i rite werdz

Maybe you're idealizing friendship? Friendship is just as pure as romance. In other words, like I stated earlier, friendships have their fair share of shit as well. Like jealous friends who get pissed when you're hanging with your other friends or significant other. It can be nothing more than a benign give-or-take relationship, whether the payoff is either emotional or physical. Friendship can be dumbed down to establish connections for one's own benefit. And lawd, few things are shitter than a huge fallout between friends (and god forbid, they're in the same circle of friends as you and they talk shit about the other behind each back to YOU and putting you in the spotlight, sometimes attacking you). And friendships change, are fickle, and need maintenance like romantic love relationships.

The only difference between a friendship and a romantic relationship is the level of intimacy, emotionally and physically. Also, romance and friendship aren't exclusive from each other because a key to a good romance is that you're friends with your lover. Personally, I find that the only relationship I was really happy in is with my last ex-boyfriend who I was friends with four years prior to going out with him. Even though we're not going out now anymore, we're still friends. My previous relationships before that one were filled with bitter disappointments and I had an unrequited love for close male friend (which he knew) that lasted for 5-6 years (and in B4, lol you have to date your male friends, I have numerous male friends that I love as friends, some as brothers, but never can consider them romantically). Despite that, I'm hopeful of finding love, not it's my number one priority, but if I found it, I would welcome it (of course, I rather be friends first). At least, I'm free to love whoever I want because people didn't have that privilege until the late 19th-20th Century, heck some people don't have that privilege and hope that they fall for their arraigned finace(e), although some of those cultures have matchmaking session and the such.

So I can see why people pair friends more than most character combinations, because they have that potentiality to be intimate as lovers, and a healthy romance needs friendship as well. And truth to be told, not all slashers slash friendship pairings or even the same ones so that old stereotype that they'll slash every two guys on the screen is untrue. Like there's male friendships l like, or think this two pair characters who make the awesome friendship/comrade pair.

But I'm not trying to convince you, just giving a different point of view.

Damn this thing was too long.

Sorry. XD But go study "blah blah blah" just to prove your point--made me roll my eyes. In reality, there is really no such thing as romantic love. Romantic love is an idealist vision of what people think it should be like. And it never is--and never lasts that way.

Although science can disapprove that? Look up fMRI imaging and love. Granted it's still a fresh study. Of course love changes, that's why it's not easy either. I'm known people who fell out of love with a drop of a hat, I known people who were married and in love for decades upon decades and I known people who loved each other until one of them died and the other still hung up on the other, years later. Love, whether friendship or romantic, is fickle.

With that thinking of yours, friendship doesn't exist since it's just equal bartering, whether the payoff is emotional or physical. And that familiar bonds are just a group of people who live in close quarters, blood-related or not, that adhere to roles for the harmony of the house.

No, what makes OOC is that it went against what the character is confirmation in canon, not because it's not made by the creator, that's fanon. Besides, a good amount of the time, the character is like an unfinished puzzle board, we might have a good look of what the whole picture is, but there's a lot of missing pieces.

LOL, like school gossip and rag mags? You have quite an imagination. Then gen fics and all that jazz is the same, even analyzing a show is no different either!

All of it is--it's like gossip, just about fictional things. I want him to be with him, and her to be with him, so and so sitting in a tree, it's all brain dead wish fulfillment. And you, you're being pretentious as hell. Fan-Fiction is no different than playing with Barbie dolls. Fan-Fiction is a toy--nothing else.

You sound like Tom Cruise, "You don't know the history of love, I do! So stop being glib!" You're going to start jumping on a couch soon.

Pretentious? This is stuff I had to study in college. And aren't you being pretentious saying romantic love doesn't exist, shipping is like high school gossip and writing romantic fiction is brain-dead fulfillment? Oh ho!

Shipping is like High School gossip, seriously, it's no different. Get a sense of humor. Shipping is not serious business, and it doesn't mean anything either. XD Easily offended much? Shipping and love are serious business and you must only have an opinion of it, if you have studied it, gone to college, and impressed many random college professors.

Fan-Fiction is largely wish fulfillment, yes. Fan-Fiction is no different than playing with toys, as, you know, the character don't belong to you. Fan-Fiction is a toy.

You had to study it in college, bawwwwwww, and someone else has a different opinion than you. Really now.

I'm not being serious business about shipping, it's just you seem not to count any the romantic stuff. I'm just saying everything should be included, even the gen stuff.

Studying love was a part on a couple of my classes so I had to know my shit or I fail.

Also, peer-reviewed academic scientific study > one tiny anon's opinion.

Also, peer-reviewed academic scientific study > one tiny anon's opinion.

Some Random Person On LJ has a peer-viewed academic study...OHTEHNOES.
http://i9.tinypic.com/6oxkgt0.jpg

Okay, whatever.

fandom needs a Holocaust y/n

Besides, a good amount of the time, the character is like an unfinished puzzle board, we might have a good look of what the whole picture is, but there's a lot of missing pieces.

ohh... so the missing pieces are homosexuality. I SEE.

I can finally put together that 300-piecer of the Taj Majal. All I need is two gay guys. :)

LOL. XD I HA HA'D.

LOL, no. This goes to het as well.

However, the author wrecked the main love triangle by using the stupidest move ever in a shoujo, one of the suitor loved the main character as a MOTHER when the enitre series made it very, very clear he didn't feel that way.

THANK YOU. Seriously, you have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that. It made me so fucking angry when that happened; nearly as angry as the whole Tohru/Kyo relationship. Honestly, FB started off so well and then it all went to hell.

Sorry; been meaning to get that off my chest for a while. (I could rant for hours, but will restrain myself.)

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