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How the fuck can seemingly everyone on Twitter say "there was a mass shooting, oh and Tom Petty died" like it's anywhere near the same thing

Just gonna assume you guys are narcissists. It's all about yoir broken hearts.

Nobody is saying that they're just as bad.

You're being an asshole.

People can be upset about more than one thing???

They're reporting that more than one bad thing has happened. It's not a competition. People are allowed to feel bad about more than one bad thing at a time, because human beings have the capacity for many, many emotions.

It's not that they're equal but I find the shooting less shocking at this point. It's hard to summon much of any emotion about these disasters anymore.

Seriously! Those 50 or whatever people didn't do anything except get killed. It's just a big dumb distraction from remembering a rock legend.

Dude, I don't know if you're trolling or trying to be sarcastic or what, but WTF? That's disrespectful as hell.

Those people who died had people who loved them and to say they "didn't do anything except get killed" makes you a massive asshole.

A) No one is saying it's the same thing.

B) So in your opinion, Petty's death should be completely disregarded because a bad thing of a larger scale happened at the same time? That's kind of heartless, anon. The dude gave us the gift of his music for decades, and it's not like he can call this death a dress-rehearsal and die again in a month when a shooting isn't going on.

saw a tweet with 86k retweets that said the shooter "was not mentally ill"

then what the fuck is he? i get that the vast majority of mentally ill people would never kill another person, but pretending he wasn't is dumb as hell.

Shit, misfired.

Yeah, no kidding. I hate the "backlash" to the mental illness issue. As someone who has both suffered from chronic mental illness, and has worked for years in the field of mental healthcare, I can't with this stupid white knighting all mental ill people ever whenever there's a serious talk about the psychological state of a person who committed a horrific crime.

It is not normal behavior to randomly unleash a massacre on innocent strangers. That is not normal behavior, and the thinking that would lead to that is not normal, rational thinking. Period.

No, that doesn't mean having a mental illness means you are dangerous. That's stupid, too, but then again, we would never equate the common cold to cancer to a broken limb to influenza, so don't do it for mental illness, either.

People are responding to the narrative that people are pushing, which is that mental illness is THE reason why things like this happen, and that the best and only way to solve these problems is to deal with the evil, dangerous mentally ill people.

But straight up denying it isn't a contributing factor is just as delusional as conversatives who think gun control has nothing to do with it.

If we're having the conversation in a vacuum, then sure, we can talk about it.

It's extremely irresponsible to deny or hide contributing factors to acts of mass violence. Focus on the need for better treatment options as a preventative measure and maybe some useless politicians will pull their heads from out their behinds and start trying to work on making mental health care more accessible as a public safety measure.

It's also extremely irresponsible to overemphasize certain contributing factors to distract people from others for political reasons, or to abet people who are doing so. Especially when doing so can easily result in people placing blame on parts of the population that are already marginalized.

Absolutely, a lack of competent mental health treatment in our society on a large scale is part of the reason that things like this happen. But that is not the conversation that people are actually having when they talk about this, and they're not doing it in a way that accurately depicts the complex chains of causation between mental health and violence - because it is complex - and they're not making the kind of nuanced argument you're making.

Focus on the need for better treatment options as a preventative measure and maybe some useless politicians will pull their heads from out their behinds and start trying to work on making mental health care more accessible as a public safety measure.

They won't. There's approximately a zero percent chance of them doing so. It is a red herring, it is completely in bad faith, they have no real interest in doing anything of the sort, the only reason that they even mention the idea is as a scapegoat to avoid gun control laws.

Note that, despite the fact that this has happened again and again and again in this country, politicians who are pro-gun have never actually moved to provide better mental health care. It's been 20 years since Columbine, and have you seen a single one of those people take any genuine move to improve access to mental health care? It turns out, in fact, that there's actually a huge crossover between the politicians who are pro-gun, and the politicians who are committed to making all health care, including mental health care, much *less* accessible. They don't actually want better mental health care access. To believe that there's any chance of them improving mental health care access as a result of mass shootings is to fundamentally misunderstand what they are trying to do and what they believe.

And I'll be honest - I said exactly what you're saying now after Sandy Hook. I said, well, it shouldn't be a distraction from gun control, but improving access to mental health is always a good thing, so if people are going to be willing to do that, I'm in favor of it. It's now been 5 years since Sandy Hook. And do you know how much the people who talked about mental health after Sandy Hook have done to improve mental health care access over the last 5 years? Nothing. They have done nothing. Not a single thing. Because they do not actually care about mental health care, at all. They could not care less about it. They don't. Period. It is an attempt to distract from gun control by stigmatizing the mentally ill. That is all it is.

I don't think anyone has EVER said that. Like, they act as though some politician said "let's round up all the mentally ill people" and that's not the case. These responses come when people say "we should improve access to mental healthcare in this country" and any suggestion that if a shooter did receive treatment, the tragedy could have been avoided.

Mental illness doesn't equal violent. But mental illness CAN cause violence.

*Also, I really hate the phrase "mental illness" as used as some kind of grouping, you'd never say "sick" people and equate people with colds and people with cancer, as mentioned above, so let's stop acting like mentally ill people are some kind of cultural group

To be fair, I remember some people saying just that i.e. rounding up all the mentally ill people, after Virginia Tech.

I think the problem is that it tends to be specific combinations of mental issues including personality disorders (which aren't considered mental illness) so the focus on general mental illness doesn't help and makes it harder for people to get help which makes it even harder to get specific data on the warning signs for when someone turns violent.

I mean, just from a captain obvious standpoint, if it was 'just' mental illness then we should be seeing a lot of women shooters since they're just as likely to be mentally ill.

I would bet money that he is, but it's certainly not the only factor at play.

Are you stupid? Serious question.

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