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fandomsecrets2008-06-20 05:11 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-06-20 05:11 pm
[ SECRET POST #532 ]
⌈ Secret Post #532 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #076.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 143
As for Rose... I adore Season 1 Rose. I think she was perfectly written. But it's like in Season 2 something changed. I actually liked her a lot in School Reunion and Girl in the Fireplace. What made me hate her--and the tenth Doctor--is Tooth and Claw. I felt like they both acted like immature children for much of that and I feel like one or both of them should have known better. That sort of soured the rest of the season on me, actually. I didn't like Ten again until Planet of the Ood. Thing is, in terms of her relationship with Ten, I think Season 2 Rose was spot on. In terms of everything else, I feel like someone dropped the ball. It seems to me like they were going for the whole classical hubris plot with her and the Doctor, but I think they pushed a little too hard for it. And it ruined my ability to like her.
Martha I identify a lot with because I come from a similarly splintered family... only far worse. And I ended up sort of becoming a robot to deal with it. So I can sort of see that stoicness she had, that expressionlessness, as repression. Plus I loved how clever she was. I do agree that her family was poorly written though; the only one I thought made any sense was her dad's trampy girlfriend. But that just goes to show you how good acting to one person is bad acting to another. But yes, Martha did get shafted; I feel like her part in The Doctor's Daughter was written as a hasty attempt at closure that was already given, and diminished her character. (The Sontaran Experiment/The Poison Sky was dead on though. A perfect cap onto her character, less the ball dropping with Milligan! And I love Marthatwo).
AS for my comment about sexism, I think I should qualify. I consider myself a feminist. A pretty srs business one. For a long time I've bitched and bitched about the sexism in TV and movies and how we need more wonderful female characters. Then I watched some stuff where I did not expect themes of gender and feminism to come up, including a children's show. After seeing a children's show that was perfectly feminist, with the male and female characters being treated absolutely equally, up to and including a female leader, after seeing an anime where the lead character is a disgusting misogynist and is VILLIFIED for it, I had to re-examine my priorities. I realized that I can enjoy bad stereotypes about women as easily as I can bad stereotypes about men, as long as they're balanced by positive potrayals of each. I realized that stuff where the feminism issue is completely resolved is boring becuase it doesn't resemble the reality I know, and becuase it removes a layer of conflict. I realized that the only way to change these horrible views is to address them, include them in our media, and subvert them.
That is, I'm glad Moffat has a little bit of misogyny he's clinging to becuase that gives the people writing under him something to protest. That gives himself something to protest. I'm glad that Doctor Who has enough conflict in it for feminist characters to have something to struggle against and I'm glad it's not afraid to show traditional wives and mothers, whose lifestyles are a completely valid choice on their own, in a positive and empowering light. A show with no conflict in it isn't much of a show, after all. In some ways, even though it's wacky Sci-fi, Doctor Who reflects the real world. I think you need a measure of misogyny to do that, but that misogyny has to be addressed and resolved. And I think the show is doing a wonderful job of that.