[ SECRET POST #3964 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3964 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Anthony Bourdain and Asia Argento]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[morieris]

The only thing I don't agree with is the 'younger and hotter' men bit. Otherwise, amen.

I'm also very surprised that people took 'burn hollywood to the ground literally. Dismantle the shit power systems that allowed these men to prosper. It should happen in industries worldwide.

Also people seem to have taken your last statement to be 'oh EVERY man is a rapist' instead of 'there's way, way more'

[(Anonymous)]

Also people seem to have taken your last statement to be 'oh EVERY man is a rapist' instead of 'there's way, way more'

Not just that, but overlooking the fact that it's talking about harassment rather than rape, which is a really important distinction

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, when they use examples of rapists and say other people get a pass, it seems to be drawing an equivalence. I don't blame people for reading it that way. Would you call those four men mere "harassers"? What they did is war worse.

[(Anonymous)]

But like. What they said was "I don't believe more than a handful of successful men haven't ever harassed anyone in their entire careers".

You can agree with that or disagree with that. But to me, it reads to me like they're talking about the broader category of sexual assault and harassment and rape. I just don't see how you can read that and say that OP believes all men are rapists. That's not what they said. The words are right there. I don't know how you can have an equivalence strong enough to turn something they said into something they didn't say.

[(Anonymous)]

"[Here are four men who have either raped or sexually assaulted someone]... Younger and hotter men who harass people will get a pass [unlike these old, fat men]. I don't believe more than a handful of successful men haven't ever harassed anyone..."

For me, it's not difficult to imagine why people are reading that as equating harassment to rape and then saying that most men are harassers, which they just equated to the likes of the four men listed.

"Here are four men who have done things magnitudes worse than harass someone. Younger and hotter men who harass people get a pass, implying that if they had been old and fat, they would be treated like the four listed!"

Unless OP is saying harassment is some sort of equivalent to rape and sexual assault, this doesn't seem to make much sense to say since of course rape and sexual assault will be treated more harshly than harassment because they are worse. Old, fat, young, hot notwithstanding.

Not that I read it this way, but the wording and connection is unclear enough that I understand why it could be taken that way.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I can definitely understand why someone would read it that way. But I still think it's an incorrect reading, and it's one that's pretty unfair to OP and really changes the whole meaning and interpretation of their secret in a really significant way.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I didn't say it was a correct reading. I was explaining why someone could read it that way since you said you couldn't understand why.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand it as a first impression, but not as a serious argument.

[(Anonymous)]

But she flat out says it's the vast majority. it's one thing to say "there are way more gross people yet to have the skeletons in their closets revealed". That, everyone agrees with. But then acting like this is the absolute overriding norm is something else.

[morieris]

True. a better statement is probably "It's a vast majority of people you could name, or people in high positions."

No one knows Martin the light guy. But if he harassed someone and got reported, many higher ups wouldn't have done anything about it before now, and now it's only for good PR.