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Comments

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

how

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

by being Too Liberal, i'm sure

buncha ess jay dubyas

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They either stayed home or voted for Trumpet because their precious Bernie didn't get the Democrat nomination.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

actually, the majority of youth voters voted for Clinton (55% to 37% for Trump), and youth turnout was comparable to recent elections.

it is true that they supported Clinton somewhat less than they supported Obama. but personally, I would say that the responsibility for Trump's victory should probably be assigned first to people who actually voted for him.

you're objectively wrong.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a misunderstanding of what actually happened in the 2016 election. The GOP base and the independents Trump brought in actually built enough of a coalition to win huge majorities in the Midwest and take the Electoral College. I think Democrats need to understand that what Trump and the Republicans did actually worked, and the result was largely shaped by those actions, quite outside the Democrats' intra-party fight.

It is painful that the Democrats split as strongly as they did, between a pro-war, Wall Street "insider" and an independent avowed "democratic socialist." But even if the nominee had been somebody broadly agreeable, like a Joe Biden or Sherrod Brown, Trump had a pretty strong coalition, and might still have cleaned up in the end.

Re: Controversial/Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

built enough of a coalition to win huge majorities in the Midwest

Where are those majorities? What states do you have in mind?

Wisconsin, Trump won by about 23,000 votes. Michigan by about 11,000. Pennsylvania by about 45,000. A margin of less than 1%, in each case. Those are all extremely tight races. None of those are substantial majorities. And if those three states had been flipped, Trump would have lost the election.

The picture you're painting - of a substantial margin of victory for Trump, especially in popular vote terms - is not true. At all. In fact, Trump scraped a victory by an extraordinarily small margin in relative terms. He managed to take small victories in just enough states to win the Electoral College.

In terms of how it came to pass that he won those states, there are many different reasons that we can talk about. My personal opinion would be that it was mostly not a result of Trump building a successful coalition, nor of intra-party conflict within the Democratic Party. I think the biggest factor was that Hillary Clinton was an unpopular candidate who mostly ran a not great campaign, which wasn't helped by the reporting around the e-mail scandals, and just enough white voters in those three states decided at the last minute that Trump was more presidential and authoritative.

But even if you think that Trump's campaigning and coalition-building were the cause of those victories, you are still greatly exaggerating the scale of those victories.