[ SECRET POST #3969 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3969 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, any title that says "all guys are trash" is kind of begging to be derailed. It's stupid and that kind of language isn't helpful. I say this as a gay woman. I'm not sure why you're bringing institutional power into this, it's either okay to negatively generalize an enormous group of people or it isn't, and I'm leaning toward it isn't.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

I know what you mean, and while I do believe men need to be able to express themselves and their emotions, and fight against the bad things they've had engrained in them, I'm at the point now where I honestly sometimes do think all men are trash, and any of them who complain about it deserve the label even more.

It's not venting anymore. Not really. Women are getting fucking fed up. The more that's revealed, the more power abused, the more rapes and looking the other way about sexism, sexual abuse, institutionalized power, and every other fucking evil thing that men have going on (and other men would rather criticize women about than face or fix), well, I'm sorry, but they have a problem.

And we have a problem too, that boils down to one fucking word a lot of the time. MEN

Every single "hurt feeling" we have to passify or bend over backwards about while rapists are excuses right and left just convince me more. Men Are Shit. Not from birth, and not all of them: but enough to write off any man until he proves he's NOT like that.

Oh yes, the ones who say all the right things can't be trusted either.

My answer is: yes, all men, until they prove otherwise. That's just how I feel these days.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, well, you are wrong and you have a problem. *shrug* Seriously. It's not just "hurt feelings", it's downright illogical to call all men rapists. Sexual assault is a massive problem that needs to be addressed; that will not happen by shrieking about how all men are evil and have to prove themselves otherwise. I also wonder if you're half as concerned about female rapists and sexual predators, when we talk about sexual assault, or if they are exempted from representing their entire gender.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

"all guys are trash" is not the same statement as "all guys are rapists"

And, I mean, this is a distinction that morieris actually specifically draws in their post

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

If women committed more than the tiniest of fractions of sexual assault compared to men, yes, I'd give it equal time.

I believe all victims deserve equal time, and all abusers should be stopped, but claiming there's an equal balance of male and female predators...damn, you're just reaching.

By all means, let's focus equally on the completely equal problem that women cause for society. Let's also talk about murder, shall we?

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All Homicide Types by Gender, 1976-2005. From Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Dept of Justice.

Eldercide: Male 85.2%, Female 14.8%
Felony murder: Male 93.2%, Female 6.8%
Sex related murder: Male 93.6%, Female 6.4%
Gang related murder: Male 98.3%, Female 1.7%
Drug related murder: Male 95.5%, Female 4.5%
Workplace murders: Male 91.3%, Female 8.7%
Argument murders: Male 85.6%, Female 14.4%
Gun homicide: Male 91.3%, Female 8.7%
Multiple victims: Male 93.5%, Female 6.5%
Child murder: of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by men.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Good lord, those are some dramatically huge differences in numbers there. Wow. I knew there was a difference, but I didn't really realize just how drastic it truly was.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

What people mean by "all guys are trash" is, I think, generally clear. It is a shorthand, colloquial question for the idea that societal structures and patriarchy influence experience and behavior in general in a way that has immediate, pervasive, and nearly inescapable effects on everyone living in society, in a way that is particularly toxic for men. And I think that underlying idea is correct, and more to the point, not the kind of negative generalization that we should find objectionable.

So the relevant question, I think, is two-fold. First, is "all guys are trash" a fair way to gloss that idea? Second, is "all guys are trash" a rhetorically useful way to gloss that idea? I think the answer to the first question is yes - it's at least reasonable - because the reality is that those structural factors we're talking about do effect behavior and perception in real and tangible ways that are more or less universal. The second question, I have less of a good read on. I can see the argument that "all guys are trash" doesn't do a good job at capturing the underlying ideological argument. On the other hand, I'm not sure that there *is* a rhetorically good way to approach these issues. And it's not like the underlying ideological case is some kind of secret that no one is aware of.

So tl;dr I guess I just think that dismissing it as nothing more than an unfounded negative generalization is a misreading of the phrase.

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand anymore how men seem to be under the impression that it's just evil feminists who are attacking them, that there is no problem at all, that men are innocent and good. I don't think there's a way to open their eyes at this point that yes, men are a big problem. A lot of them, in systemic, abusive, killer, rapist ways: and the ones who look the other way, try to deflect the issue onto the evils of womanhood, or think it's all a big joke and women are too sensitive ....they are active enablers.