[ SECRET POST #3969 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3969 ⌋

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[Disgaea/Soul Nomad]


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Comments

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

So, first, the post that we're talking about doesn't contain the word "worthless". Two, I think the argument is broadly true that - setting aside the specific word "garbage" or "trash" - men qua men have those qualities and are affected by patriarchy in those ways, regardless of any other way in which they are oppressed. I certainly don't think that means that they should all be dismissed and are worthless as human beings, and I certainly don't think that's what people mean to say with that.

So I mean let's be specific here about what we're talking about, which it seems to me is this: does the "garbage"/"trash" language carry an unavoidable implication of worthlessness? Or is it a reasonable form of hyperbole to say "trash" and mean "deeply flawed"?

Re: Pet Peeves

[(Anonymous)]

Let’s look at it this another way: how does language like this help dismantle the partiarchy or whatever long term? And what impact does this have on more serious conversations down the line?

Re: Pet Peeves

[soldatsasha]

Trash is literally stuff that has no worth. That's what that word means. So yeah, when you call someone trash you're saying they're worthless. You're saying that person is equivalent to a thing that needs to be thrown away.

I think that's an innately harmful sentiment, even if the intentions behind it are good.

I don't have a problem with people talking about men or white people or Americans or whatever other privileged group as if they're a monolith. It's kind of inevitable, and mostly good, because it challenges minorities within that privileged group to examine their own thoughts and behaviors.

I do have a problem with language that assumes someone is automatically bad just because they fit into whatever privileged group. I don't think it's okay to call people names or insult them for things they can't change about themselves. And I definitely don't think it's okay to use language that reinforces negative self-worth. (Especially since the first and most important battle we fight in activism is convincing minority people that they DO have worth and their voices and lives have value.)