[ SECRET POST #3991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Fall]


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[Louisa May Alcott, Little Men]


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[Winona Ryder, Jennifer Connelly]


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[Marvel Comics]


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[Shetland]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 10 secrets from Secret Submission Post #571.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - this is not really the place for blind items ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/XPvi487.png

[philstar22]

I like high body counts, I just wish more media would actually make it clear that those lives matter. I love Star Wars, but I will forever be bugged about that scene in ANH where Leia, who watched her own planet be destroyed, comforts Luke about the death of someone he barely knows.

[(Anonymous)]

And the deaths of his aunt and uncle, the destruction of his childhood home, the knowledge that he's on the Empire's shitlist, and the loss of the only tangible connection to his (supposedly) late father. But you know, details.

[philstar22]

All those things happened, yes. But in that moment he was mourning Obi-Wan. And not a single thought was given to the fact that Leia lost her parents and her entire planet. And had to watch it happen. And also, for that matter, had been tortured.

[(Anonymous)]

But... but... Luke's manpaiiiiiin!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, what had happened to her was objectively worse, but Leia wasn't the sort to visibly mourn - particularly in front of strangers. Luke on the other hand, who had *literally seconds ago* watched Ben die, is an openly emotional person. Seeing that he was mourning, Leia (always the kind of person to put her own feelings aside for the good of others) comforted him. What was she supposed to do, make it a feelings competition? How dare you feel sad about the death of that man you just watched die, what happened to me was so much worse?

[(Anonymous)]

You seem really eager to be outraged, but you've missed philstar22's point, which was not to criticize Leia for her actions, but to criticize the media in general for framing it in such a way that we have to come up with an elaborate explanation (like you just did) for why the emotional impact of an entire planet's destruction is given so little thought. It doesn't have to be a competition in order to acknowledge both types of loss and pain. Failure to do so is not the characters' fault, it's a flaw in the writing/directing.

[(Anonymous)]

My apologies if I seemed over aggressive; that wasn't the tone I was trying to convey. However, the post in question specifically refers to the characters actions. I love Star Wars, but I will forever be bugged about that scene in ANH where Leia, who watched her own planet be destroyed, comforts Luke about the death of someone he barely knows.

While I agree that the destruction of Alderaan and its massive death toll is egregiously brushed over in the original trilogy, I feel that in that scene it wasn't at all odd. Other than Artoo or Threepio, nobody else in that room has any connection to Leia or Alderaan, and Luke is focused on the personal tragedy that had just occurred in front of him.
Now, if Obi-Wan had survived I could easily see him (Obi-Wan) sharing a moment of sympathy and mutual grief with Leia, but as it was bringing up the planets destruction during the escape sequence wouldn't have really worked emotionally.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, rewatching that scene as an adult (and a more critical viewer) I was struck by how even a movie that lets a female character be awesome still stuck her in the role of comforter of manpain.

[(Anonymous)]

Um. How is being sad about the death of another person (a death which happened literally like two minutes ago in this scene) considered 'manpain'?

Its not like Luke threw himself into the fetal position and made it all about him and demanded that she dote on him. He was sitting down, looking sad, and she put a blanket on him because she saw that he was sad. How dare he have facial expressions and feel feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

I like high body counts, I just wish more media would actually make it clear that those lives matter.

THIS. Whenever I find a film or tv show where the narrative actually shows you the deaths of non-major character as though they actually matter, it always makes me respect the story and like it more.

[(Anonymous)]

I get this. Especially for TV shows like GoT or TWD.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'll never understand why writers think killing everyone off won't stop being shocking after the 5th major character death. All it does is make you stop caring about the characters who are still alive, since they'll probably be killed off anyway, so why bother?

The Walking Dead games ended up being super boring for this reason.

[syncing_feeling]

I feel like The Walking Dead as a whole has this problem and was one of the reasons I stopped watching it. It felt like every episode was just waiting for another "SHOCK MAJOR CHARACTER DEATH" and you can only play that card so many times.

[fishnchips]

Especially after they started on the "SURPRISE WE WERE KIDDING THIS MC DIDN'T DIE AFTER ALL" only to go "lol but now they did" one or two episodes afterwards. That's just annoying.

[wannabe_influential]

It makes the moments when they're trying to make us care about a character who we just met an five minutes ago feel ridiculously obvious

I remember that episode where Michionne and Glen got separated and she was stuck with that guy who we had never seen before but who all the other main characters acted like they knew real well

And he got bit and he wrote a note and was like "Please give this to my wife in case something bad happens to me!"
Michionne handed the note back to him and was like "Don't worry, you'll be okay"
And I was just watching at home like "Yeah buddy, SURE you will"

No guesses to what happened to him before the episode was over

[(Anonymous)]

for me, it got to the point where at the end of season 2, i couldn't have been more done with it. fuck everything, i'm deliberately killing off both of you assholes and making clem take care of the baby her own damn self because i'm sick of this bullshit. good bye and good riddance, lmao.

and i think i ended up liking the wolf among us specifically because the stakes were never that high, so it's easier to get into it and just. accept your choices barely mean anything (when most of them are just "horribly disfigure this person or ask them politely to leave?" and everyone treats you like an asshole either way which is at least a pretty realistic take on human nature tbh), just admire the aesthetics and we're all good.

[(Anonymous)]

Was there ever a time when that wasn't a cliche? Like, would there have been a period of time where the death of that guy in Hunt for Red October who wanted to marry an American woman and raise rabbits or that one kid in every war movie ever who was gonna finally ask out/dance with/propose to his girl when he got home would have been a genuine shock?

[wannabe_influential]

It just happens so much in that show

A bigger twist would have been if that guy had survived to actually go home to his wife and die in peace (Or at least as peaceful as dying of a zombie bite would be)

[feotakahari]

I could swear I posted this exact text in the general comments.

[syncing_feeling]

I thought it looked familiar!

[(Anonymous)]

Even for war (or war-like) stories where you expect them, I still hate it when they're glossed over and the writer(s) don't allow both the readers and characters to grieve them - or even experience them. Two of the worst for me were (uh, spoilers, I guess?) Finnick in THG and Remus in HP. They happened so fast (and "off-screen" for Remus) that I honestly had to go back and reread to realize what had happened.

[(Anonymous)]

Weren't Finnick and Remus right in the middle of the final battle though? I always saw them as quick and sudden because that was how it felt for the characters. They don't have time to immediately grieve because there's so much going on at that moment.