[ SECRET POST #3991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Fall]


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[Louisa May Alcott, Little Men]


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[Winona Ryder, Jennifer Connelly]


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[Marvel Comics]


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[Shetland]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA. I do think the internet has more of a... migratory hate fandom now than it used to?

I mean before a troll might be in 4-5 fandoms and attack people there, but now trolls will go out looking for popular problematic content no matter what fandom.

I mean just recent example, I had a Thor/Loki fanartist on my tumblr dash who hasn't posted anything Thor/Loki since Thor 2, they posted new just recently because Ragnarok and then followed up with posts going "Wait, since when does the internet hate this pairing for being incest? I've never gotten hate before. WTF is wrong with people?" So it sounds to me more like migratory trolls than just the usual in-house trolls.

[(Anonymous)]

Naryt

I totally agree with this and would add that virtue signalling has become a really big deal in fandom. Reylo is not any different than any other hero/villain ship, except that people have decided that it is and they must publicly condemn it. And sometimes not just that, but create something hateful and/or untrue to do so.

Some examples of what I mean:

-The fanfic with the most kudos (almost 20k) in the Star Wars fics, one of the most kudos-ed fics on AO3 is a twelve word troll fic saying that Reylo sucks. It was published the day after The Force Awakens came out. Reylo shippers hadn't even settled on a name for the ship yet.

-https://reysistantis.tumblr.com/post/157848074084/post-that-fuckin-wikia-post-jessie-love-tatum
And then you have stuff like this, where most people just uncritically like and reblog something totally made up. (It now has over 4k notes.)

-http://mytwistedexperience.tumblr.com/post/157536777139/after-a-year-plus-of-beating-around-the-bush-im
On the extreme end is people saying the bad guys=Nazis, so anyone who likes a bad guy/ships a bad guy=Nazi. This has unfortunately extended to the actors who portray those characters.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally agree with this and would add that virtue signalling has become a really big deal in fandom.

What do you mean by virtue signalling here, and why do you think it's necessary to explain anything that people do online? Are you saying that people only talk about disliking Reylo because they want to be seen to do so? Because that seems like a really strong claim to make if all that you're explaining is people not liking a ship. It's not any different than any other hero/villain ship - and sometimes people dislike those ships, especially in massive fandoms where they conflict with other popular ships.

-The fanfic with the most kudos (almost 20k) in the Star Wars fics, one of the most kudos-ed fics on AO3 is a twelve word troll fic saying that Reylo sucks. It was published the day after The Force Awakens came out. Reylo shippers hadn't even settled on a name for the ship yet.

People like jokes. I don't think that you need to invoke virtue signalling to explain why people like that fic.

And then you have stuff like this, where most people just uncritically like and reblog something totally made up. (It now has over 4k notes.)

People are idiots online. But again, I don't think that you need to invoke virtue signalling to explain that.

On the extreme end is people saying the bad guys=Nazis, so anyone who likes a bad guy/ships a bad guy=Nazi. This has unfortunately extended to the actors who portray those characters.

I agree that this is a stupid post. But it doesn't seem like it's necessarily an insincere post. And also, as you point out, it's very extreme and not necessarily characteristic.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt
You are really hung up about this one term. It's pretty obvious what it means in this context: Trying to appear like a morally righteous/superior person by hating on a ship - not because you you simply dislike it but because it's the "morally right thing" to do due to the ship supposedly being abusive/in any other way "problematic". That's what it means here. Stop it with your faux-academic "you don't need to ~invoke~ virtue signalling" harping, it makes you look silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's a term that I really dislike in general, because its main purpose seems to be as a sneer word to dismiss peoples' sincerity. It's a dumb term and I don't like it.

And it's doubly confounding in a situation where it seems pretty unnecessary.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not unnecessary or unfitting for the situation though. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean no-one should ever use it, especially when it fits.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt that there's anything "sincere" about the people who yell to anyone who'll listen that they hate nasty problematic characters and that anyone who doesn't hate those characters is a freakdemon who supports [insert real world atrocity here].

[(Anonymous)]

It's perfectly valid not to like Reylo. However, what I was talking about were people who use disliking Reylo as a shorthand for "see, I am a good person because I hate that disgusting ship." Like the people who felt it was their duty to tell a Thorki fanartist how disgusting incest is in the anon above. It's performative. There are people who haven't even seen TFA who are anti-Reylo.

People like jokes.

It's a troll fic. There are no joke. The only purpose is to put down a ship (that hadn't even taken off yet). It has ~13k more kudos than the next highest fic in the Star Wars section.

People are idiots online. But again, I don't think that you need to invoke virtue signalling to explain that.

Thousands of people reblogging without even one of them saying "hey, what's the source on this?" raised my eyebrows. (Maybe I just hang out in the wrong corner of fandom, but we would want to know.)

and not necessarily characteristic

Calling Reylo fans things like Nazis/Trump supporters/anti-black/anti-queer/abuse supporters (etc.) has, unfortunately, been very, very common. Outright stating that they are Nazis was the unusual part.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem that I have is that I think, in general, it's extremely difficult when you start making generalizations about peoples' motives on a massive scale based on what they post on the Internet.

It's a troll fic. There are no joke. The only purpose is to put down a ship (that hadn't even taken off yet). It has ~13k more kudos than the next highest fic in the Star Wars section.

It's partly to put down a ship. but I am very confident that it's also humorous, and I think the humor is at least 80% of the reason that it's so popular. This is kind of tough to talk about because obviously humor is subjective but, like, it's a joke. It's 12 words wrong and you click on it and then surprise it's just 12 words. "fucking obliterated" is a humorous thing to say. It wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't funny.

Thousands of people reblogging without even one of them saying "hey, what's the source on this?" raised my eyebrows.

well, no. the people who said "what's the source on this" probably didn't reblog it. it's very hard to determine the number of people who said that because it doesn't show up as part of reblogs.

And, you know, I would want to see some proof too. But my general experience is that, in general, a lot of people on the internet are very stupid, and prone to believing any old shit they see. And I don't think that has any particular relationship to Reylo.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're underestimating how deeply purity culture has become entrenched in fandom, particularly in the anti factions.