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fandomsecrets2008-06-29 05:07 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #541 ⌋
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Re: 131
Jesus Christ, fiction is srs bisnss. So just because you dictate something as bad means the world must think so too and anybody who remotely likes it--just for the sake of entertainment, not as wank fodder--is a bad person? And you know what, what difference does it make if I'm thirteen or twenty-three? I know that I'm not going out to hunt for six year old boys when I'm older. Yes, KnJ took it too far. I admit that. I can see where you're coming from, I really can, but I'm a normal person in my own right.
Re: 131
Why are you asking me what difference it makes if you are thirteen or twenty-three when you were the one that brought age into this conversation?
If you really are thirteen, you are on the other end of the spectrum here and, quite honestly, this is not really a side of this argument I've ever experienced before. I can somewhat relate because when I was thirteen I was watching shows with sexual content that I just flat-out didn't notice at the time, but there's a difference between seeing some bouncing boobs in Ranma 1/2 and something that is glorifying the sexual relationship between a grade-schooler and their teacher.
In your case I wouldn't necessarily worry that you'll someday be hunting little boys-- I'd worry more that you might go off and be on the receiving end of one of those "age disparate" relationships you were talking about liking. You might think you're mature, but you are not even legally old enough to make decisions like this. At 13, having a relationship with, say, a 30 year old, would really just screw up your psyche. Do you know what happens to the titular character in the novel Lolita? By the end of the book, she has completely fucked up her life before she's even a legal adult. (so much for the quintessential "it's fiction so it's okay"-- Lolita comes out of the relationship in the end irreversibly damaged)
I have no doubt that you're absolutely a normal person, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because you're so young. I still remember what it was like to be 13, after all.
If you aren't thirteen like you said you are, though, I take that back, because pretending to be a thirteen-year-old on the internet is uhhh, not really very normal at all.
Re: 131
Me? I personally wouldn't go out looking for a relationship with a much older man, but there are girls who do. I acknowledge the very high risk associated with that. Not everybody's lives are messed up by that, however. Yet the majority counts, right?
As for the series itself--which was the original topic at hand--I don't think that it's best to approach it with a serious mindset. If that thing disturbs you, okay then. We'll just leave it at that. And I've read Lolita, I know she was deeply disturbed and messed up by the end of the book. That is essentially the most important piece of fiction to expose this subject. It's highly controversial. At the end of the day, I am more of a fan of platonic/non-sexual relationships with major age differences. I don't think I've ever met a person in fandom in real life who has taken their personal tastes in fiction to the outside world.
*sighs* I have a very difficult time getting my opinions across without making a major flaw in my argument. I apologize for coming off in such an immature and rude way. I realize the fallacies that I've come to believe. And for the record, I find 99.99% of child pornography/loli/shota/pedophilia disgusting. Kodomo no Jikan is a drop in the sea. You should see its doujins. The DOUJINKA are the sick people, trust me.
tl;dr: I fail, I acknowledge this, and yet I continue to fail.
Re: 131
I appreciate your reconsideration of the subject, and I think it shows a lot of maturity that you're willing to discuss this with me like you are.
I still don't necessarily agree that it's not good to approach this sort of thing with a serious mindset. I mean, when Japan actually starts considering making 2d underaged erotica illegal (even if legislation has been pushed back on that a couple years), you can't help but wonder if the problem has gone too far.
I totally agree that KnJ is hardly the fount from which all of these problems originate, but it IS, at least in my opinion, possibly the most indicative of the fact that there is a problem with the industry today. I agree that it's MUCH MORE so with the fans of the material, but the fact that there is something for them to be fans OF (and the fact that it was popular enough to be ANIMATED!) that should really set off some alarm bells.
Re: 131
(Anonymous) 2008-06-30 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)too bad you were a douchebag and a lot of us reading along dismissed you right out for being such a cuntfaced bitch about it all. maybe you should also watch your 'internet catchphrases' and argue intelligently as well.
Re: 131
I was happy that, at the very least, this hadn't degraded into insults, but that's apparently the only thing a walking man-baby such as yourself understands. I'm going to say something on your level so you understand it: get lost, you spineless childfucker. If despising a rising trend in mainstream animated child porn makes me a douchebag, I will wear that title.
Re: 131