[ SECRET POST #541 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #541 ⌋

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Comments

[kanna.livejournal.com]

I've already said most of what I intended to say on this, but since you addressed some of the issues that I brought up, I just want to mention how pathetic and telling it is about the industry and its consumers today that anime fandom is the only place where I have ever seen people argue in favor of child porn.

There's no need to talk about guro and other fetishes, because those artists and fans at least have the sense to be aware that their sexual interests are unusual and not foist them in everyone's faces. How many shows about vampirism and rape-porn are being put on Japanese television?

When, like I said, message boards constantly have to make rules against talking about kiddie porn because it becomes so prevalent, it becomes hard to "go ahead and stay out of it." To some extent or another, it has pervaded nearly every show currently in production because creators have become aware of its (disgustingly) mass appeal. It's getting harder and harder to avoid.

There is something terrifying about the "well, the internet says it's okay so forget what everybody else says!" mentality that is so prevalent in online fandom today, because it just deepens the cracks in people who are very often already fundamentally broken and pushes them past the point of any sort of life that could even be considered normal.

I don't know why I'm even bothering because I know I'm going to be ignored because I'm just THE MAN KEEPING YOU DOWN, but somebody has to try to be the voice of reason. It's not not like some "moral leaders" (whatever the hell that means) sat in a room and made a list of things they thought would be hilarious to ban from social acceptance; these things are taboo because they are fucked up. I know the internet takes away inhibitions, but that doesn't mean that there isn't still a need for some goddamn decency. There's a difference between "bucking the norm" because you are a little weird and having some unusual tastes, and being incapable of functioning in normal society.

It makes me sad that a fifteen year old is already being encouraged into a completely abhorrent fetish, when she's at an age where shit is confusing enough as it is.

[tsukinofaerii.livejournal.com]

First off, there's quite a bit of difference between lollicon and child porn, in that child porn places actual children in danger and is mostly consumed by pedophiles (active or inactive). Pedophiles are, by common definition, people who find sexual stimulation in children.

There are no children here. Above that, lollicon art seldom even resembles the age group it's supposed to represent. We're discussing an art form displaying fictional depictions of fictional children. This is not child porn.

And in regards to other fetishes (a widely misused term, but I'll accept it at face value here), I personally think that we need more open discussion on these topics. Yes, that includes guro. Again I point to the very distinct line between fantasy and reality, a line which is strictly displayed in terms of sexual fantasy. Most women daydream about being raped—but it doesn't mean that they actually want to be raped. There's nothing inherently wrong in that sort of fantasy, and imbuing it with shame accomplishes nothing except to create a society where people are sexually repressed and afraid to even discuss issues which are honestly of concern to them.

Message boards are an excellent case in point. In all the bannings I've seen, the discussion is stopped because of the wars that start over it. Not because the topic itself is inherently immoral. Lollicon should be as open to sharing as any other interest in my opinion. I don't see how "X-group isn't as vocal" is a valid argument for y-group needing to hide their interest. Simply because western culture has developed a set of "sex is bad" and "fantasy is reality" generalizations doesn't mean that it's correct or healthy. I feel sorry for the poor OP, who is probably even more confused and ashamed after the mess this post has made of his/her secret.

"well, the internet says it's okay so forget what everybody else says!"

I hope you're not directing that at my statement. No one should allow an outside source to entirely dictate their personal code of ethics.

It makes me sad that a fifteen year old is already being encouraged into a completely abhorrent fetish, when she's at an age where shit is confusing enough as it is.

Two key words strike me here. The first is "abhorrent". This is your opinion, and you're perfectly welcome to it. If you noticed, my comment was aimed at "if you only are unhappy because other people think it's weird". There's perfectly valid reasons for finding lollicon unappealing - but fear of being found out shouldn't be one of them.

The other word that struck me is the common misuse of "fetish", which I just can't let sit. A fetish is something that causes a habitual sexual response, and can frequently be required in order to achieve sexual satisfaction. (Note that this is separate from orgasm.) A lollicon fetishist would be someone who finds anime-style art of young girls in sexual or suggestive poses consistently arousing. I doubt the OP is developing a "fetish" so much as a taste for the material in certain cases, seeing as it focuses apparently on a specific character. I agree that 15 is early to be exploring fetishes in practice. Fantasies (especially dream-based fantasies) such as the OP mentions are a completely different matter.

I'm sorry if my reply is snippy, but any time I see the words "decency" or "abhorrent" in arguments like this, it makes me very, very annoyed. I hold myself very firmly to a standard that "if I'm unable to explain logically why something is taboo or immoral, I must consider that only historical precedent and society continue to keep it so, when in fact the matter may be open to discussion". For me, lollicon falls directly into this chasm.

Clearly, many people feel otherwise.