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Movie Club Discussion!
Here are some questions to start us off.
1. What was your initial reaction when the movie started? How did that change by the end of the movie?
2. Who was your favorite character in the movie? Your least favorite character? Why?
3. What was your favorite scenes? Your least favorite? Why?
4. What did you think of the soundtrack and/or score?
5. What did you think of the production (cinematography, editing, costuming, etc.)?
Feel free to talk about anything else as well!
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2. All the characters are delightful. So, I love them all and I don't have a least favorite. I am going to mention how much I love how fun Oogie Boogie and his kid minions are. All the minor Halloween Town citizens are also great to watch. Especially the butcher with the axe in his head and his mini-me.
3. I think my favorite was when Jack first gets to Christmas Town. Both the imagery and music was delightful. I especially love the elves' reactions to just seeing Jack out of the corner of their eye. XD
4. The music in this is obviously iconic. The only song I am not a 100% a fan of is Sally's Song but that is just because of the voice of the singer. I love the Fiona Apple version and the lyrics.
5. This movie looks amazing! Stop motions is such a cool filming technique and obviously this movie is one of the best. I also love all the different character designs. As I mentioned above, the Halloween Town citizens are all so cool and it seems like I notice a new one every time I watch.
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They were really creative with the cinematography in this. Stop motion definitely allows for creative scenes and shots. Jack's singing voice is nice, but beyond that, I can't say I was a huge fan of this movie. Maybe because it was too hyped by people for years, it just felt kind of long and rambling.
Interestingly, I find many of the people who love this movie seem to find cultural appropriation just "SJW whining" when this movie is basically "respect and admire people's cultures but don't act like you can do it better."
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(Anonymous) 2017-12-24 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)The movie starts out and Jack's stagnating. Same old thing, year after year. He's bored and stale. And then he stumbles onto another culture and he has no freakin' idea about it because they've been segregated all this time. So at first he tries to study it from afar, dissect it. And he can't figure it out, so he immerses himself in it and fucks up royally.
But Jack's last song really hammers it home.
Well, what the heck, I went and did my best
And, by God, I really tasted something swell
And for a moment, why, I even touched the sky
And at least I left some stories they can tell, I did
And for the first time since I don't remember when
I felt just like my old bony self again
And I, Jack, the Pumpkin King
That's right, I am the Pumpkin King, ha, ha, ha
By being willing to step outside his bubble and explore new cultures and traditions, he's richer for it. Taking is bad, but sharing is good. In short, don't wallow in the same white-bread white American white 'culture' but be willing to embrace those who are different from yourself. Just... try not to fuck it up or take over.
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In the end he revels in doing what he knows best but I wonder if he tries to celebrate Christmas without taking it over the next year later, off screen.
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(Anonymous) 2017-12-23 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)Then "What's This?" came on, and there was the line about, "There's children throwing snowballs instead of throwing heads" and I actually remember looking over at the TV like, "...did I hear that right?" And that had me paying a bit closer attention to the rest of the film as a result, because it was just so odd :p. I've seen it I don't know how many times since then, and it's one of my favorite films from my childhood :).
2. I loved Jack Skellington :). I think I had a bit of a crush on him as a kid. And I wouldn't say I liked the guy Sally lived with, but I did find some moments with him kinda funny as a kid.
Least favorite would've been Oogie Boogie simply 'cause he scared me. I like him as a villain now, though. I don't think there's any characters I'd pick as least favorites in this movie now.
3. Favorite scene, hands down, is the moment at the end when Jack joins Sally on the top of the hill. It's so sweet and lovely. I love any moments with that hill in general, just 'cause it's such a cool effect/image and I love the shots of the hill against the huge moon. I also like the moment with Jack in the graveyard after being shot down, when he's regretting his actions, as well as the big showdown between him and Oogie Boogie.
Least favorite...maybe the bugs falling out of Oogie Boogie towards the end, simply 'cause, ick :p? That's about it, though.
4. I love the music in this film. Danny Elfman seemed to play a role in a lot of things I liked as a kid, and this was no exception. I like his singing voice in this movie, I like the dark, weird humor of some of the lyrics, I like the old-timey feel of the songs. The music is definitely one of my favorite things about the film.
5. I'm not an expert on production/cinematography type stuff and whatnot, but I remember seeing a thing once about just how long it took the people who worked on this movie to make the little figurines and do the whole stop-motion animation setup and whatnot, and it was so impressive and interesting. The time and effort put into making this movie showed, and I'm genuinely in awe of people who have the talent for this kind of animation and filmmaking. The animation certainly helped make this movie stand out a little more, too, and added to the weird nature of the story.
So. Yeah. Like I said, this movie will always have a special place in my heart. I'll be interested to read comments about it from people who didn't see the movie as kids, and see what they took away from the film as a result.
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I am the same way about the characters. They are all so much damn fun!
I actually really like the Oogie Boogie falling apart scene because of how technically awesome it is. Did you see some of the videos I linked above? In the original story line Finkelstein was going to be inside Oogie Boogie the whole time as a twist ending. I am glad they did not go with that one.
I love most of Danny Elfman's music and most of his older stuff is pretty iconic (from the Batman to The Simpsons theme).
Yeah, the whole movie took three years to create! I guess Oogie Boogie was actually the hardest puppet to work with because his frame was so strong as well.
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a few thoughts:
I like all the characters even Oogie Boogie because he's fun to watch except for that mad scientist guy who looks like an evil Donald Duck because he treats Sally like crap.
Jack is very expressive for a skeleton.
I can't help wondering what the other holiday towns are like.
if this movie has a moral I think it's "don't copy things you don't fully understand"
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Jack actually had over 400 heads to give him all those expressions!
I think everyone wonders what the other holiday towns are like but the creators have been adamant about not making this into a series of "Jack Skellington visits all the holiday" movies.
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Sally, but that's because I have a particular thing for patchwork girls. Jack and Oogie are fun as hell, too. The mayor's literal two-facedness is a fun bit of designwork, but as a character he's pretty boring.
My favourite was probably Oogie messing with Santa, because his song is catchy, and the faux-black light design was gorgeous. Least favourite, pretty much anything with Dr Finkelstein. I grant that Sally wouldn't really have anything of an arc without them, but I just don't like him - his type always bug me. At least he was only tertiary.
I love it. This is Halloween, What is This, Kidnap the Sandy Claws, and Oogie Boogie's Song get caught in my head all the goddamn time. Danny Elfman is a goddamn genius, and the performers do well - even the ones who aren't great singers are given songs where they don't need to be (or even where it would be a detriment - specifically Kidnap the Sandy Claws).
It is gorgeous. I know Tim Burton's aesthetic isn't to everyone's taste, and over-saturation has caused a lot of people who would otherwise like it to tire of it, but I think even those two groups would agree that this movie needed it (even if it hadn't been developed from his idea to begin with).
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I wonder if Oogie Boogie was the first villain to have that kind of villain scene? I am pretty sure both The Princess and The Frog AND Moana had villains who also had a black light design scene. Hell, now that I think of it their music styles were similar!
I thought the aesthetic worked great in this. But I generally enjoy most of his older work. I actually love how it was inspired by things like Edward Gorey's work.
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Funny you should mention Gorey...a book of his art I bought years ago just resurfaced... But, yeah, his influence on Burton is pretty clear.
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2. Who was your favorite character in the movie? Your least favorite character? Why?
Favorite: I gues maybe Oogie Boogie
Least favorite: Jack.
3. What was your favorite scenes? Your least favorite? Why?: Favorite: This is Halloween song scene. Least favorite: The romance stuff with Sally and Jack.
4. What did you think of the soundtrack and/or score?: The music is the best part of this movie. I like most of the songs.
5. What did you think of the production (cinematography, editing, costuming, etc.)?: It was really pretty and well done animation wise. It looked mostly cool. I just found the plotting kind of dull for the most part.
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