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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-12-31 03:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #4015 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4015 ⌋

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Re: Can someone explain this joke? Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2017-12-31 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe because of the sexual assault scandals going around. Not personally fan of these types of jokes though, better to single out the behavior not the person.
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Re: Can someone explain this joke? Thanks.

[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-01-01 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if people really believe it's just men doing this shit? I wonder how many women in positions of power breath a little easier when they read news articles and see shows titled things like "The Problem With Men".

Being evil, it seems, is just considered to be a male trait by people that otherwise consider gender essentialism to be a horrible theory.

Re: Can someone explain this joke? Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2018-01-01 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Being evil, it seems, is just considered to be a male trait by people that otherwise consider gender essentialism to be a horrible theory.

Not really, though. I mean, I'm sure that someone out there does think that - people think everything. But it's not, like, an integral conceptual part of what people are talking about when they say stuff like this.

The thing is, it's not that there's anything biologically essential or necessary tied to gender. Rather, it's that we live in a deeply patriarchal society. Which means that men are enormously more likely to be in positions of power which they can abuse, and they're the beneficiaries of a whole slew of social and cultural mores that make excuses and cover for them, and also their mindset and decisions tend to be influenced by those same social and cultural mores in ways that can be pretty fucked-up.

Now, obviously, we are - to a certain degree - making generalizations about society as a whole here. So none of this is universally true, and none of these things are necessarily unique, and there's a million other complex factors that govern society, and gender is far from the only factor that determines society, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

But nevertheless, even with all of those caveats, we can still talk meaningfully and distinctly about the specifics factors that pertain to men in society, and the behaviors and the outcomes. That's not at all the same as saying that only men are abusive. I don't think that people generally think that, and if they do think that, I disagree with them. But it's hiding your head in the sand to ignore these factors and insist on a false equality for ideological reasons. We can and we should talk specifically about masculinity and the way that it operates in our society.