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i don't know what it has to specifically do with men, though

I guess the person is saying that no matter how low you set the bar, men will try to lower it?

Personally, I'd apply that to people of all sexes and genders.

Maybe because of the sexual assault scandals going around. Not personally fan of these types of jokes though, better to single out the behavior not the person.

I wonder if people really believe it's just men doing this shit? I wonder how many women in positions of power breath a little easier when they read news articles and see shows titled things like "The Problem With Men".

Being evil, it seems, is just considered to be a male trait by people that otherwise consider gender essentialism to be a horrible theory.

Being evil, it seems, is just considered to be a male trait by people that otherwise consider gender essentialism to be a horrible theory.

Not really, though. I mean, I'm sure that someone out there does think that - people think everything. But it's not, like, an integral conceptual part of what people are talking about when they say stuff like this.

The thing is, it's not that there's anything biologically essential or necessary tied to gender. Rather, it's that we live in a deeply patriarchal society. Which means that men are enormously more likely to be in positions of power which they can abuse, and they're the beneficiaries of a whole slew of social and cultural mores that make excuses and cover for them, and also their mindset and decisions tend to be influenced by those same social and cultural mores in ways that can be pretty fucked-up.

Now, obviously, we are - to a certain degree - making generalizations about society as a whole here. So none of this is universally true, and none of these things are necessarily unique, and there's a million other complex factors that govern society, and gender is far from the only factor that determines society, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

But nevertheless, even with all of those caveats, we can still talk meaningfully and distinctly about the specifics factors that pertain to men in society, and the behaviors and the outcomes. That's not at all the same as saying that only men are abusive. I don't think that people generally think that, and if they do think that, I disagree with them. But it's hiding your head in the sand to ignore these factors and insist on a false equality for ideological reasons. We can and we should talk specifically about masculinity and the way that it operates in our society.

The joke is that we already have extremely low expectations, socially speaking, for men to live up to - but men still fail to live up to those expectations, and at times seem to go out of their way to do so.

So that's the reason that it's specifically about men. Because of the part about the existing level of low expectations for men.

i suppose, but like the other anon said, you could plug in a lot of groups and it'd be true. you could plug in "humanity" and it'd be true.

like you said, if this actually said "social standards" it'd have more of a point, but could be about anything

i suppose, but like the other anon said, you could plug in a lot of groups and it'd be true. you could plug in "humanity" and it'd be true.

i mean, maybe, but they're specifically talking about this group and the specific social standards and behaviors that pertain to them, which are different from those that pertain to humanity as a whole

no one is saying that it's the only group of which this could be said

like you said, if this actually said "social standards" it'd have more of a point, but could be about anything

i don't know what to tell you. i think it's pretty clear to most people reading the meme. the whole concept of "setting the bar" is about standards and expectations. and it's something that's been in the news and the discourse a lot.

also, there's an extent to which this is just a funny meme and not a definitive statement on gender relations, you know

sure. i'm just saying i didnt immediately get that it was supposed to be commentary about societal standards, vs. this person's personal feelings on what they perceive to be an entire gender's general failings

as stated, it could just as easily be a "men suck" joke about someone's personal low standards for boyfriends and how men keep failing them, as someone trying to make a joke about society having lesser behavioral expectations for men. that's all i'm saying

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