[ SECRET POST #4016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4016 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Intelligence, The Romeo Section]


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[American Vandal, Sara Pearson/Mr. Kraz]


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[Winona Ryder]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Bring It On]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How was it insulting and dumb as fuck, when you yourself acknowledge she caught a doxx

[thewakokid]

#NotAll

A fuckhead from group A does not mean that group A ia all fuckheads, and acting like it does is insulting and unreasonable.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know how bullying works? One or a few loudmouths mouth off and a bunch of onlookers stand around and watch. The onlookers legitimate the loudmouths' actions and gives them steam. Both the loudmouths and the victim sees the onlookers as part of the "we hate the victim" group. The onlookers themselves are, sadly, often oblivious to this: they didn't mean to bully anyone and inside they even might sympathise with the victim. Yet: it's them who makes the bullying possible.

[thewakokid]

So you're saying feminists are bullies?

CP'd from an above comment:

You think I could get away with making a statement about how "Feminists be like..." without qualifying it with "Some"?

You think feminist who don't be like would be fine with that? Think they might be a tad offended that their group is being unfairly maligned? Think they might have a point?

Think that logic translates to my group?

[thewakokid]

"it's them who makes the bullying possible"

You heard the idea that victims of bullying are responsible for the bullying because they let it happen? Because they let it get to them? The give the bully the power?

I don't hold with this at all.

Bullies are responsible for bullying. That is where the responsibility starts and ends. Lashing out at people who are around the bullies, or in this case claim the same set of beliefs as the bullies is understandable in one way, but still vert stupid and insulting.

[(Anonymous)]

But we're not talking about saying that group A is all fuckheads, we're talking about being scared, which is an emotional reaction and IMO an understandable one when a huge number of members of the group are acting like dickheads and are doxxing you. I don't see how her being scared is "insulting and dumb".

Second, at some point, you have to be willing to, like, engage with things that actually happen, and not just write it all of as meaningless and random. It's horseshit, wako. No, not everyone in group A is a fuckhead. But we are human beings endowed with reason and judgment. We can look at and understand and judge patterns. We can evaluate and understand what is happening, and try to understand the reasons that is happening. You don't have to limit yourself to just making sure that no one could possibly think anyone negative of you personally, and refuse to engage with anyone else at all. And in this instance, there seem to have been a lot of people who identified as gamers, doing things because of the way that they understood that identity, for reasons that seem to me to be tenuous or bad or at the very least wildly disproportionate. And Felicia Day getting doxxed was a part of that broad phenomenon.

Saying that, and criticizing that, does not mean saying that all gamers are fuckheads. And as an intelligent human being, you should be able to grasp that idea and, you know, work with it and evaluate it as an idea instead of sticking your fucking head in the stand.

Shit.

[thewakokid]

We're talking about being scared, which is an emotionally understandable reaction...

And we're talking about saying that all gamers scare her, which, while it's understandable, is also a stupid and insulting thing to do.

when a huge number of members of the group are acting like dickheads and are doxxing you

And here I think the issue is, I just don't buy that it a huge number of the group was acting like dickheads... but i understand I'm not persuading anyone on that point. The media narrative is too well ingrained at this stage. You would, I suspect, take my assertions that its a relatively small and noisy number acting like dicks as evidence that I am one of the dicks in question, yes?

I'm not saying the loud minority isn't scary, but letting yourself judge a whole group by the minority IS stupid, expecially when it only takes one person to doxx you. If I can look at the #KillAllMen breed of feminist, and realise - eventually, I admit - that they not the standard to judge every feminist, and judging ever feminist by that standard is stupid and dumb, I don't think I'm being unfair by taking the viewpoint that the same thing should apply to my group.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I do think you're a dickhead, for supporting Gamergate and also because of the things that you say on here generally. But I don't think - for instance - that you personally were doxxing or giving death threats, and I accept that you weren't in favor of those things either.

The thing is, dickhead is a broad category. I don't think that the majority of Gamergaters were doing those things. but I also think that the movement as a whole was vituperative and toxic, and that the behavior of the movement as a whole was as much about misogyny as any of its stated goals, and that its stated goals were wildly disproportionate to almost anything it did, and that it was taken advantage of by people whose political views are evil, and that the people who supported the movement mostly did so either because they agreed with some part of that fucked-up ideology and that misogyny, or because they placed a disproportionate amount of importance on its stated goals that blinded them to the actual actions of the movement, or in a small number of cases because they were duped.

I think that being critical of the movement as a whole is justified for reasons beyond the actions of the lunatic fringe, and I think that saying that you're scared of the lunatic fringe of the movement is justified if you're someone like Felicia Day. And I don't think that's just because the media has painted a nasty picture. And I don't think that those things are broadly the case with feminism as an ideology and a movement, outside of its lunatic fringe, although I know that you disagree with feminism as an ideology.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

And we're talking about saying that all gamers scare her, which, while it's understandable, is also a stupid and insulting thing to do.

That's a pretty bad read of the article in question. "A small voice of doubt in my brain now suspected that those guys and I might not be comrades after all. That they might not greet me with reflected friendliness, but contempt." Which is the entire problem with harassment in gaming right now. The minority of assholes are so unpleasant that they poison the well for just about everyone.

The media narrative is too well ingrained at this stage.

Oh, come on. Gamergate was the biggest pile of bullshit to come out of the internet, only eclipsed about a year later by Pizzagate. The initial accusations against Quinn were the incoherent and inaccurate rantings of an ex, and required time-traveling prostitution for a one-sentence background reference. You got played for a fool providing cover for a harassment campaign, with the FBI files just released under FOIA where key parties admitted to having engaged in criminal threats. All of which was targeted at gamers and resulted in gamers bailing out of social media or jobs within the industry. Good job!