[ SECRET POST #4016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4016 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Intelligence, The Romeo Section]


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[American Vandal, Sara Pearson/Mr. Kraz]


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[Winona Ryder]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Bring It On]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

well, my reaction would depend on what you were actually saying about feminists, and whether I thought it was justifiable as a generalization.

(and being justifiable as a generalization doesn't mean that something is true in all cases. for instance, I could say that Americans like beer more than British people do. and that's true as a generalization - the United States drinks more beer per capita than the UK does. but that doesn't necessarily mean that every individual American likes beer more than every individual Brit.)

and it would also depend on the context of the conversation, and the point that you were driving towards, and whether i thought you were making a blanket personal criticism of feminists as people, or making some kind of point about ideology, or what have you. so it comes down to cases.

[thewakokid]

Well, ok. let me put it this way:

"Female gamers are treated like shit because male gamers are sexist assholes"

"Men are right to dislike feminism because feminists post shit like #KillAllMen"

Now you telling me both of those statements are not unfair generalisations that would be vastly improved, and possibly made factual by the inclusions of some qualifiers?

"Female gamers are treated like shit because SOME gamers are sexist assholes"

"Men MIGHT HAVE A REASON to dislike feminism because SOME feminists post shit like #KillAllMen"

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference is that these statements are superficially similar but have a different meaning.

The first one is a simple assertion claiming that female gamers are treated poorly because of sexism. The second statement has an element of justification, claiming that men are correct and justified in disliking feminism because of a hashtag. I think the sentences would only be really comparable if your example sentence began with "Men dislike feminism because..." rather than "Men are right to dislike feminism because..."

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Should have mentioned I'm NAYRT.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're still ignoring the context of those statements. The first one is being made in the context of explaining why women aren't taken seriously in gaming. And I think that the context of what conversation is going on has to impact how you understand the statement - in this instance, it's not a baldfaced declarative statement, it's a statement about sexism, advancing the idea that sexism, rather than Felicia Day, is the reason that female gamers don't get taken seriously. But what you did is pull it out of that context to make an unrelated point.

And I think the same would be true, mutatis mutandis, of the statement about feminism - there are contexts (and phrasings) where that sentiment could make sense and be a reasonable point, and contexts where the sentiment would be a personal attack.