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⌈ Secret Post #4020 ⌋

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02. [SPOILERS for The Last Jedi]

[Star Wars, TFA and TLJ]

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03. [SPOILERS for Orwell]

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04. [WARNING for discussion of rapefic]

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05. [WARNING for discussion of sexual violence]

[Goblin Slayer]

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06.[WARNING for discussion of Weinstein/sexual assault]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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04. [WARNING for discussion of rapefic]
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Honest question, what does an author need to do/not do in order to convince you they know they're writing rape?

Not OP, but:

I don't have a systematic answer to the question. But do you agree that - in principle - there are times when it's a reasonable concern to have? That there are times when it does occur that an author is writing something, which they think is romantic and not rape, but which a reasonable person thinks is rape?

Sure, that's a possibility. But it's also a rather uncharitable assumption to make.

AYRT

I wouldn't assume that it was always the case, by any means. But there are times, based on the way that a story is written, when it seems like it's more likely than not. I don't think it's any more reasonable to assume that it never happens.

I wasn't talking about reason. I was talking about charity.

How far should we extend the benefit of that charity, though? Should we extend it across every case? Isn't it a matter of judgment?

DA

If an author tags a thing as rape or noncon or dubcon then I know they're aware. If they're tagging it as "snape/hermione romance, snape uses a potion on hermione but then she realizes loves him" and there's no dubcon tag errrr

IDK, anon, you do you.

Well tagging the fic as rape would be one thing, which the OP mentions the first group does but doesn't mention for the second group. If someone tags a fic with love potion mind control sex as "romance" then yeah I'd be concerned

Unless they add the obligatory "going to hell" tag, in which case, they're universally covered.

Yeah I would personally count that too. Its pretty easy to tag or include something in the summary even as generic as a DARK FIC warning if someone doesn't want to give anything away that acknowledges the content of the story like the secret says

There definitely are fics and authors and series out there that portray things as romance though without considering that it's technically noncon or dubcon

If you change that "without considering" to "without acknowledging," I'd agree.

Do you think that every writer does - in fact - consider it?

I don't think that's any of my concern.

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Huh? Are you saying that there are no authors that do not consider it? I mean I'd say both are true

1. Fics and authors exist out there that write them without considering it at all, a whole lot of teenagers and younger fans fall into this category, as do at least in my experience a whole lot of older writers who do the classic romance novel ravishy stuff or the kidnap and stockholm syndrome stuff

2. Fics and authors exist out there that write them that do consider it but don't explicitly acknowledge it anywhere for whatever reason, maybe they forgot or they just can't be bothered to tag

But, 2 existing doesn't negate 1 existing, and I can understand both of them looking the same to non mind-readers

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(Anonymous) - 2018-01-06 11:21 (UTC) - Expand

Why do you have a problem with the characters not understanding whether something is rape? Because I can think of a whole lot of characters who wouldn't have that sort of understanding either as a product of their time/setting or just plain ignorance, and the author giving them an awareness that there is no in-character reason for them to have would just be jarring and bad writing.

IDK what to tell you, OP, I can't say that I worry that much about the purity of the author's thoughts or think much about the author at all when reading dubcon or noncon. What does that accomplish?

THIS

It just never occurs to me to wonder if the author has considered the implications of what they're writing. Especially in fanfic, which is fundamentally idfic. My default reaction to rapefic is "this is the nature of the author's fantasy," and either I share it and keep reading, or I don't and backbutton.

I don't think all fanfiction is idfic.

Because it’s creepy-ass shit that makes me feel like someone threw up inside my head. See also: way too many books by Piers Anthony.

+100000000

If I feel like the author's weird shit is projecting on Piers Anthony or Terry Goodkind levels I stop reading because that constitutes shitty writing for me. But I still don't go out of way, like I said, it doesn't serve a purpose. But very little fanfic I read is comparable to big damn bad fantasies written by middle-aged white men.

And thinking the way OP can't help me avoid occassionally running into that, it just casts a shadow over all my other reading. That's what I mean by what does that way of thinking accomplish. It doesnt serve a useful purpose, especially since there's no easy way of knowing.

I find it more of a problem with the canon of texts themselves rather than fics, tbh.

That's a good point.