[ SECRET POST #4020 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4020 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [SPOILERS for The Last Jedi]

[Star Wars, TFA and TLJ]


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03. [SPOILERS for Orwell]



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04. [WARNING for discussion of rapefic]



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05. [WARNING for discussion of sexual violence]

[Goblin Slayer]


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06.[WARNING for discussion of Weinstein/sexual assault]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #575.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Honest question, what does an author need to do/not do in order to convince you they know they're writing rape?

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but:

I don't have a systematic answer to the question. But do you agree that - in principle - there are times when it's a reasonable concern to have? That there are times when it does occur that an author is writing something, which they think is romantic and not rape, but which a reasonable person thinks is rape?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, that's a possibility. But it's also a rather uncharitable assumption to make.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I wouldn't assume that it was always the case, by any means. But there are times, based on the way that a story is written, when it seems like it's more likely than not. I don't think it's any more reasonable to assume that it never happens.

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't talking about reason. I was talking about charity.

[(Anonymous)]

How far should we extend the benefit of that charity, though? Should we extend it across every case? Isn't it a matter of judgment?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

If an author tags a thing as rape or noncon or dubcon then I know they're aware. If they're tagging it as "snape/hermione romance, snape uses a potion on hermione but then she realizes loves him" and there's no dubcon tag errrr

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, anon, you do you.

[(Anonymous)]

Well tagging the fic as rape would be one thing, which the OP mentions the first group does but doesn't mention for the second group. If someone tags a fic with love potion mind control sex as "romance" then yeah I'd be concerned

[(Anonymous)]

Unless they add the obligatory "going to hell" tag, in which case, they're universally covered.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I would personally count that too. Its pretty easy to tag or include something in the summary even as generic as a DARK FIC warning if someone doesn't want to give anything away that acknowledges the content of the story like the secret says

There definitely are fics and authors and series out there that portray things as romance though without considering that it's technically noncon or dubcon

[(Anonymous)]

If you change that "without considering" to "without acknowledging," I'd agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think that every writer does - in fact - consider it?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's any of my concern.

[(Anonymous)]

It matters as to whether or not the proposition is true that "There definitely are fics and authors and series out there that portray things as romance though without considering that it's technically noncon or dubcon", which was a proposition that you said that you disagreed with.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh? Are you saying that there are no authors that do not consider it? I mean I'd say both are true

1. Fics and authors exist out there that write them without considering it at all, a whole lot of teenagers and younger fans fall into this category, as do at least in my experience a whole lot of older writers who do the classic romance novel ravishy stuff or the kidnap and stockholm syndrome stuff

2. Fics and authors exist out there that write them that do consider it but don't explicitly acknowledge it anywhere for whatever reason, maybe they forgot or they just can't be bothered to tag

But, 2 existing doesn't negate 1 existing, and I can understand both of them looking the same to non mind-readers

[(Anonymous)]

My point is that you have no way to know no. 1 is true unless you are, in fact, a mind reader.

[(Anonymous)]

You have no way to know anything, if it comes down to that, but you can come to the conclusion that there's a strong probability that it's so.

[(Anonymous)]

a lot of people forgo tagging any badthink tags because it opens them to harassment by antis