[ SECRET POST #4025 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4025 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[morieris]

ok ok about the secret;

I agree, Jaques always intended it to be (well I guess after, gosh, which one had Squire Julian and the Owl, Redwall or Mossflower, I think Mossflower) super black and white morality and that's why Outcast really didn't work.

A few Designated Evil animals like Romsca and (Blaggutt? Someone in either Salamandastron or The Bellmaker) kind of revolted but it was bucking the status quo and never really stuck.

It got kind of better with Doomwyte and the asshole Log A Log, if that's the right book.

[(Anonymous)]

Squire Julian was definitely in Mossflower and spent most of the time in his sister's dungeon in Kotir. But owls aren't mentioned until Mariel of Redwall which is the first mention of the Flitchaye to the North. (Went and checked maps.)

But yeah, as to your comment. Yeah, the books were always meant to be more black and white due to the fact he was originally writing for a younger reader despite the length of them. At least, that's what it always felt like to me. Harry Potter before Harry Potter so to speak. It was only later when Middle Grade and New Adult started becoming more of a thing instead of just Young Adult and Adult in publishing that they became more grey.

It does make me wish that Outcast was written later? But at least we can have good discussion about it.

[morieris]

Yeah, I don't hate it or anything but it is...worse because of the confines of the world he made.

[(Anonymous)]

SA or was Squire Julian the one who was descended from the Kotir cat and almost ate somebody and it turned out he was vegetarian.

-checks- Okay Gingivere was in Mossflower... Julian was in Redwall with Captain Snow.

How did I forget Captain Snow? I think a reread of these books is in order during my next headaches. Yeesh.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate this idea that young readers can't understand complex morality. I read Outcast as a kid and the ending never sat well with me. That was about when I stopped being excited for the series. If that was really his reasoning than I'm offended by his poor regard for his readers. We can read a novel that's hundreds of pages long, but we can't accept that someone with "bad genes" can grow up good?

[(Anonymous)]

First off, Blaggut was the best.

But to the secret, the Bellmaker (with Blaggut's whole arc) was the book just prior to Outcast so it was really strange to have a whole arc devoted to showing that the 'vermin' could actually be good and then backtrack so severely the very next book.
I remember being really throw off the first time I read it and while I've read many of the books again, I never reread Outcast of Redwall.