[ SECRET POST #4041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4041 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia; linked for illustrated? nudity / OP warned for NSFW]


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12. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not normal. If this is your normal, perhaps you start examining the types of guys you go out with because I know from experience there are plenty that aren't like that.

So do you think that it's reasonable to point out that it's bad, and to say that, to the extent that it is treated as being normal or acceptable or as an expected part of life, that it shouldn't be?

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of women do seem to think this sort of behavior is normal and to be expected.

Grace herself said it: "You guys are all the same"

Which is puzzling to me, yes, because men are not all the same. And I personally wouldn't find this behavior acceptable and generally avoid these types of guys.

Now if your goal is to change these types of guys. LMAO. Good fucking luck trying to change anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so your problem with having this conversation is that you think it's pointless because no one will ever change, and the most anyone can do is avoid bad people as much as possible?

[(Anonymous)]

Correct.

In fact, I believe trying to change people is its own form of narcissism and sociopathy.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, if you think that people can't change, wouldn't it therefore follow that these things are basically constant across time and cultures, and do you think that's actually the case?

Second of all, can you expand on how trying to change peoples' behaviors is its own form of "narcissism and sociopathy"?

[(Anonymous)]

1. Yes, I do believe assholes exist across time and cultures. Some do change of their own accord, but they don't seem to respond to nagging, moralizing, or shaming. In fact, these things seem to only fuel their fire.

2. When you try to change someone, you are asserting that you are superior to them in some way and that you are thus entitled to exercise control over them. At the very least, it's off-putting, often counterproductive, and at an extreme, can become abusive in itself.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just whether assholes exist across time and culture. It's whether assholes exist in the same proportion, and whether their asshole behaviors manifest themselves in different ways, and whether those manifestations of assholishness are more or less harmful.

When you try to change someone, you are asserting that you are superior to them in some way and that you are thus entitled to exercise control over them.

First, I'm not sure how it follows that trying to change someone's behavior implies exercising control over them. I don't think that telling someone not to be an asshole is exercising control over them, for instance.

Second, I'm not sure that I agree that attempting to change someone implies that you think you're superior to them. It implies that you think that one thing is better than another - that, for instance, not murdering someone is better than murdering them. But I don't think that implies superiority, and if it does imply superiority, then it seems like that criticism could be leveled at basically anyone who thought that one thing was better than another. which seems extreme.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a difference between presenting an argument and trying to bully people into changing. You have a right to think people should change, but not the right to force them to.

[(Anonymous)]

Boys will be boys, men don't need to change so just the poor innocent angels be. They don't need to change, stupid bitches need to find the right man! #notallmen

It's very easy to avoid the asshole men because they have big flashing lights going "I'M A RAPIST" at all times. Nice guys are so nice. It's so easy to tell which ones are nice.

[(Anonymous)]

Since we're firmly in the massive hyperbolic strawman territory now, this fits very well with the other POV presented here: Women are all little innocent angels with the minds of children or trained monkeys at best who can't possibly take responsibility for their own well being and are entirely incapable to act outside a fixed set of rule the evil all-powerful patriarchy has set for them -they're just that weak, feeble minded and pathetic.