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It's not bullshit. Females have little trouble relating to a male lead, but males (at least boys) often have trouble with female leads.

That being said, exist to be a damsel in distress? I'm trying to think of a Pixar female that plays the role of damsel in distress and failing completely. Jessie, Atta, Dory, Elastigirl, Collette, Sally, Eve, etc. None of them. In all honesty, in many cases the female is really the stronger character.

It's certainly better than Disney. If the female is a lead she's a damsel in distress and just wants a guy. If she's not the lead... well same. Even their strong women are usually reduced to DiD in the end. There are some exceptions (hello Mulan and Pocahontas), but still.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Amen.

Females have little trouble relating to a male lead, but males (at least boys) often have trouble with female leads.

I'm afraid this is true, however it's a learned (in)ability, not something that's natural. Perpetuating the omission of strong or leading female characters is what contributes to the problem.

But keeping on topic, Pixar does not omit strong female characters at all from it's stories so ummm...?

I'll take your word for it because I don't know which animated films are Pixar's, which are by Dreamworks, etc.; I was just replying to the general statement above.

The point is NOT that there aren't strong female characters. The point is that there are no strong lead characters; it's Wall-E, not Eve, Marlon was the main character, Dory was the sidekick. I could go on, but I'm hoping you see the point there.

Females should not always be the supporting cast, no matter how awesome those supporting characters are.

It was discussed that we progressively introduce strong female characters that boys can like. They will NOT automatically accept a lead strong female if there aren't strong females on the side leading up to it. It has to be eased into. An d Pixar is planning a story with a female lead. It's called The Bear and the Bow and it comes out in a few years.

But that aside, to call it sexist is just SO ridiculous, I'm sorry. You can say you wish that Pixar would have a female lead and that is totally fine, but it is a HUGE stretch to call them sexist because they haven't especially since they continually write strong women (as noted, often stronger than the actual male leads), lead or not.

I do think it's sexist. I think that having to ease males into liking strong female characters is a sad commentary in and of itself that the entire system and the society that we live in is sexist.

Yeah, I saw that there's one coming out in um, three years. That's fabulous. It really is. But I think that having a lead female character in one film out of ten is a really really pathetic track record.

I don't wish that Pixar would have a female lead. My wishes are a bit more far reaching than that. I wish that every film that Pixar produces would have a fairly equal distribution of female and male characters. For instance, I wish that Ratatouille had more female chefs, and female rats. I wish that Cars had "female" race cars, that there had been a higher percentage of "female" vehicles in general, and that some of them had been trucks or more traditionally "masculine" vehicles.

I wish that for every film Pixar produces with a male lead, they would produce one with a female lead. I wish for equal and varied representation.

I guess that makes me ridiculous in your book. I'm okay with that. I'd rather be ridiculous and calling society on the generalized and specific gender issues that I see than be anything else. There wouldn't be any strong female characters if women hadn't started drawing attention to the issue, and I genuinely don't think that we as a society are anywhere near far enough towards gender equality for us to STOP drawing attention to it.

Edited 2008-07-09 02:32 (UTC)

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