[ SECRET POST #4052 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4052 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that opinion tbh.

And honestly, a lot of the things that I enjoy most and like to talk about most are things that I think definitely aren't objectively good. That shouldn't be a barrier to fandom at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish more people in fandom would admit/accept that the things they like aren't perfect, and that they can enjoy imperfect things just fine. All of my favorite movies are garbage, but I love them.

[were_lemur]

Didn't you know? If you don't love something completely and absolutely, with no reservations, you're a hater. *rolleyes*

Except, apparently, in the Supernatural fandom, where people will talk at length about how much they hate the most recent episode, hate the show, hate whichever one of the three major characters they don't ship Dean with ... but will still call themselves a fan of the show.

[mrs_don_draper]

It's not flawless, but I do think it's objectively good.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a strong line to take.

[(Anonymous)]

How do you define a piece of media as "objectively good," though?

[(Anonymous)]

There are objective metrics to measure the quality of things like acting, writing, directing and cinematography. It’s how you can have graded classes on those subjects. Whether or not something is enjoyable is subjective. Whether or not it’s good, as in a well-crafted example of its genre, is objective.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no. Um. Not at all, in point of fact. We can create metrics and rubrics and standards to judge the component parts of a film (in the same way that we can do for films as a whole). But that doesn't address the significant question. The significant question is not whether standards exist, it's whether those standards are objective - whether or not they're necessarily valid. Just having a metric does not mean that the metric is objective. And claims about the objective quality of acting are vulnerable to all the same criticisms as claims about the objective quality of films, or any other form of art. And it's very much an open question whether any of those things are objective.

Also, pointing to graded classes as evidence for the existence of objective standards for things seems like... really not a great argument. I mean, just, like, not fantastic. I don't see any reason that graded classes would be expected to be objective, and it certainly doesn't match my personal experience of the education system.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, mileage varies.

I love the kids, but I also liked most of the adults as well. And yes, the plot was very predictable, but I liked how adroitly they worked the tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? Sure it's predictable but well done. Love so many of the characters.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I don't know. Most discussions I get into seem to have a comfy middle ground between "this is shit" and "this is the best ___ evar!"

[nightscale]

I liked all of it, but I'm also not of the opinion of it being perfect or flawless, it did some things well, other things not so well and overall I had a fun time watching it.

[bio_obscura]

For proof, attempt to watch Dark, which is nearly the same plot but with shitty, unlikable characters.

[rosehiptea]

I watched the first episode of Dark and I had trouble because there were so many damn characters and some of them looked almost exactly alike and I couldn't keep track of who was who.

I like watching stuff in German so I wish I could get into it. (Although not quite as much as before I read this comment.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm German so I don't even have to pay attention to subtitles so that's one distraction less but damn I found it a drag to get through so far and I'm only on episode 3.

[(Anonymous)]

I like the kids, but season 2 was a letdown in separating them - and besides Will, all three of them had fairly pointless (Lucas), nonexistent (Mike), or obnoxious (the other one) plotlines. They have good banter when together, but they spent like half the season apart.

Other than that, I liked:
-the dynamic between Jim Hopper and Eleven
-Will, luckily that kid who was hardly in season 1 was a great actor
-Sean Astin, mainly because I was sure the twist had to be that he was secretly a bad guy spying on them but instead he was just a kind-hearted doofus, which was a twist itself
-Steve Harrington. Best grown-up character because Hopper, in a shocking turn of events.

Didn't like:
-How the human baddies were not actually baddies, or at least half-assed ones who were genuinely trying to do right and fix the mess left by their colleagues. It made the main cast's constant attempts to undermine them both pointless and annoying. We keep getting told they are bad guys, but they seem to be acting pretty logically anyway.
-Nancy and the older brother. I actually appreciated Nancy becoming more interesting on her own, but their plot line was just so boring. TeamSteve!
-Momma Byers, who played the exact same role she did in the first season
-The fate of Mews. :-/ booo, hiss.
-The Eleven in the City episode, which didn't have any purpose except to set up for a later season. The misfits were pretty bad.

Ambivalent about:
-the new girl and her brother. Or rather, I liked that the new girl seemed just as normal and even awkward as the boys, rather than casting a very pretty and well-manicured girl and pretending she's a tomboy because she's really good at video games or something and occasionally wears a stylish hoodie. Her character made sense. But since she spent most of the time angry and her plot revolved around minor social conflict with the boys, she just wasn't particularly exciting, either. The brother was fun, and I legit felt bad for him in the scene with his dad, but again, seemed like setup for a later season.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally get that. The parts that remind me of The Goonies or similar 80s style action/adventure are my favorite parts. I'm actually lukewarm on the darker horror stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like someone should google the difference between opinions and facts.

[(Anonymous)]

whats the fandom? looks good