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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-02-07 06:30 pm

[ SECRET POST #4053 ]


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OP

(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
But what I fundamentally don't understand is *why* people - men, women, people who frankly should have known better, and people who've spoken against rape in other situations (i.e, Streep) - stood with Polanski and signed the goddamn thing.

I just can't believe all those people who sighed the petition - including women who've confronted Weinstein and people with kids of their own - just thought child rape was okay. I don't understand why they did it for any other reason.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

It's not that they thought that child rape was OK. It's that they didn't think about it. They didn't allow themselves to think about it at all, or they refused to really think about it and consider the details and convinced themselves that they could just assume what happened must not have been that bad. Because they didn't want to think about it, because they just wanted to convince themselves that it was probably fine, and if it wasn't going to be fine someone would have done something, and he was their friend or peer or coworker, so therefore it must be fine.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 07:01 am (UTC)(link)
I get the feeling that kind of sheep-thinking, closing ranks, and blindly supporting a group member or a revered/respected figure who did something terrible isn't unique to Hollywood, either.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Not at all.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
And there's also, I think, a problem of people instinctively not wanting to *believe* someone they like and respect (an idol, a family member, a colleague, or a friend, for example) did something terrible.

(cf. Joe Paterno, Lance Armstrong, any number of public figures who did something unambiguously awful but nevertheless had loud and vocal defenders)

I suspect it's psychologically easier to side with an accuser if the accused is someone you are ambivalent about, don't know, or never liked in the first place.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
As an example, I was completely willing to believe charges against Roy Moore from the start.

Then there were charges raised against George Takei, and my initial response to seeing them was hoping that it wasn't true.

Then I realized that I was looking at Takei differently because I already respected and looked up to him, and letting that cloud my judgement. Someone with different politics than mine would likely have the same situation in reverse, and be predisposed to see Moore as a victim and Takei as guilty.

So I think personal bias can influence a person's response to allegations.

OP

(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it's just that I'm *surprised* by some of them, because some (like Streep, who supports #MeToo, and GDT, who often deals with themes of victimized people empowering themselves and fighting oppression in his films) genuinely appeared to have a better grasp of social issues and the necessity of fighting that kind of behavior, especially these days.

I just struggle to understand that the man who made a powerful, heartfelt work about a disabled woman, a gay man and a woman of color fighting oppression in human and societal forms, a man whose work has been a source of personal strength for me, defended a child rapist, and why he could or would do so.

People like Tarantino I wasn't surprised by. The above two I genuinely was, because they seemed to be on the right side with those issues, at least these days.

So I guess I'm let down. Part of me hopes at least some of the people who signed it (including Streep and GDT) realized they made a mistake at some point, although looking into that might disappoint me further.

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

I don't know. There are people who don't want to believe that someone that they respect could have done anything quite so bad, so they listen when he says something like the charges were trumped up, or he was railroaded, or the facts were distorted, or whatever.

Why does anyone work with Mark Wahlberg (racially motivated physical assaults)? Do they believe that he's changed or reformed or paid for his crimes? I don't know. Why are people okay with Dr. Dre (assaults and battery)? With Christian Slater (assault and sexual assault)? With Jay-Z (stabbed a guy)?

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(Anonymous) 2018-02-08 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Relevant song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergcxC1tcAE