[ SECRET POST #4053 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #4053 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.



__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.











Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 16 secrets from Secret Submission Post #580.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Um, you do know that there's fiction by LGBT people discussing the problems of passing published in the 20s and 30s when this movie was set? And not all of it involves an explicit romantic relationship or even a relationship at all? Maybe if fandom and filmmakers would actually read the century of work by gay men about life as gay men we wouldn't be having this problem of how to write Dumbledore.

Personally I find passing exhausting because it means putting up with daily casual homophobia from people around me, and self-censoring because straight masculinity is so fucking fragile when it comes to just about everything. There's an asston of little tells that I'm too old, too tired, and too pissed off about to avoid these days (and passing can take years off your life, so it's like giving up smoking.) Generally I'm happier for that, except when I come here and see fandom secrets going off on how it's not really representation if there's no fucking (or not getting fucked in your case.)

[jadeile]

Thank you. I wasn't aware of the publications you mentioned, so that was educating. I mean, I most likely won't actually ever be reading them because they'll probably be expensive to import here and I'm not quite that interested in the subject, but if I ever plan to publish a work where that kind of thing is relevant, then this is invaluable knowledge.

See, you're doing exactly what I wish people were doing: actually saying HOW the issue at hand could be handled. I mean, you're still not giving actual tangible examples (what kind of tells? How would you have a character express their exhaustion about the pains of passing? etc) but you're pointing out that they exist and info can be found once you know where to look. I'm not gay (or a man) myself, so I don't know these things and I suspect that it's the same for others like me. So we need someone to wave a hand around our faces and then point us to the thing so we can find it.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Part of the problem is that no matter how you slice it, Dumbledore's sexuality is just token gay retrofitted by Word of God into narrative that never bothered to ask about LGBT people at Hogwarts until the movies were well into production. In fact, the issue only came up when movie producers tried to give Dumbledore a girlfriend. When you have only one visible example of a minority in your entire universe, they're a lot harder to write well.

I had my own Grindelwald, and one thing I've noticed is that I'm a bit more bitter in talking about that than I am in talking about friendships that failed where I was not in love. So that's a feature than can inform the script. Confronting him on his behavior (that eventually landed him in jail) was horribly difficult, so was negotiating his attempts at reconciliation.

I'm not really expecting much because I thought the first movie was only superficially interested in its historic setting. I might spend release week reading Broken Time Blues instead.

[jadeile]

I agree with basically everything that you said just now. Figured I'd let you know :D

And yeah, the first movie was much more interested in going "Ooh, look people, we're introducing America into your Harry Potter! Isn't that exiting? Especially for you Americans, surely you love this, yes?" than anything else. So I'm not expecting all that much from the rest of this either. I basically just want to see them for the sake of seeing more Harry Potter world and so that I'll know what's going on when the fanfics start introducing new things like Obscurials into the parts of it that I'm reading (such as Harry Having Father Figures, or Being Independent, or other such entertaining things).